Monday, June 30, 2008

More Obama/Neptune Fog

Barack Obama's certificate of live birth which appeared on-line a short time ago, hailed with glee by astrologers, is surrounded by the same Neptunian mist of illusion and delusion which, for me, accompanies all things Obama.

The certificate displayed on-line has been well scrutinised, and it appears that technically it could turn out to be a fabricated product of Photoshop. That is not certain, of course. The main issue throwing up doubt is that there does not appear to be any imprint of an official seal, or signature of an official included in the certificate, and the serial number is blacked out. Also, it has been discovered by researchers that certificates such as this are routinely sent by snail mail only, and always have folds evident - a similar document displayed on-line, belonging to another person born in Hawaii clearly shows folds and imprint of official seal. A contrubutor to No Quarter, screen name "TexasDarlin", has a series of detailed posts on this topic, the latest, "Fight the Smears: Show the Proof Now" outlines the situation, previous posts in her series outlining her series are linked below it.

A passing reader might feel inclined to consider this just another conspiracy theory dreamed up by Clinton supporters resentful at their candidate's loss. I'm not big on conspiracy theories of any kind, I get an immediate conspiracy siren going off in my head when confronted with a good juicy theory. I don't get that signal here. I think there IS a mystery which needs to be resolved. Possibly the mysterious element will turn out to be inconsequential - more an embarrassment to Obama than an impediment to his presidential run, but things ought to be clarified to stop further speculation.

The Constitution states that one of the requirements for a person to be President of the USA is that he/she must be not just a US citizen, but a natural born US citizen, born on US soil. We assume that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961: US soil, but if it were ever to be proved that he wasn't born in Hawaii, things would take a swift about-turn! This is why it's so very important for the presumptive nominee to clarify this issue.

Time of birth, as stated in the on-line certificate, might still be accurate of course, even if the certificate itself is a Photoshop construct. That would entail the constructor having seen a real certificate however, and could implicate others in what might be a Federal offence (fabricating official documents). Then again, if the certificate was constructed by some well-meaning supporter, using most of the information already widely available, the time of birth could be entirely fictional. Had the constructor been an astrology buff they might have used 1.06pm!

Oh Neptune! You sure know how to mystify!

(Statue of Neptune in the market place of Durham, UK.)

PS: There's another update by TexasDarlin today, for those of us with analytical Mercury or Virgo-heavy birthcharts.

AND the beat goes on... yet another update - curiouser and curiouser.....

AND another blogger
,Joseph Cannon has weighed in, using Photoshop to investigate the latest findings, and now considers that the certificate shown on-line does contain a seal on its reverse side, and very faint evidence of folds. He still has some reservations, however. And there is still no serial number, which could be used to authenticate the certificate.


Anonymous said...

Senator Obama is NOT a Dirty Muslim!

"What you won't hear from this campaign or this party is the kind of politics that uses religion as a wedge," says Mr. Obama, while denouncing statements of him being a Muslim as a smear. Why is the presidential candidate who claims to be religiously inclusive is treating the word "Muslim" as an insult? Apparently, it is OK for Mr. Obama to be associated with terrorists like William Ayers or racists like Jeremiah Wright, but God forbid somebody would call him a Muslim! No, he won't stand for that kind of smear! We admit that most terrorists are Muslims, but most Muslims are not terrorists and the statement on Mr. Obama's website is insulting to hundreds of millions of people.

How could a man who discards his family heritage in favor of political expediency be even considered for presidency of the United States? Where are all the so-called "Islamic civil rights groups" like CAIR, MPAC, ISNA, MAS, etc. who are quick to defend every Islamic terrorist, but are silent when Muslims in general are being denigrated? Would Mr. Obama have the same reaction if someone claimed that he was raised as a Jew? We sincerely doubt that.

"In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific reassurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction." Barack Obama, "The Audacity of Hope", page 261.

Well, the political winds did shift in an ugly direction. Is equating "Muslim" with "smear" Obama's idea of "stand[ing] with [Muslims]?

Muslims Against Sharia demand immediate removal of "SMEAR: Barack Obama is a Muslim" statement from the official Barack Obama's website as well as an apology for giving the word "Muslim" a negative connotation.

Twilight said...

I'll leave your comment here, muslimsagainstsharia, although it doesn't really relate to the subject of today's post.

I could care less whether Obama has Muslim connections - I'd be happy enough to see an American Muslim president - as long as he or she fulfilled all requirements.

I've never mentioned the word muslim in connection with Obama in any of my posts about him, as far as I recall. It's just not important in my reckoning. There are other issues which are far more relevant.

Anonymous said...

Our comment relates to "Fight the smears" website and we believe it speaks volumes about Obama's character.

Twilight said...

Yes, right enough - it's another piece in the jigsaw puzzle !

BTW there's a piece at Common Dreams by Leonard Pitts Jr today relating to this subject:

Wisewebwoman said...

Getting at the truth in this campaign, T, has been an incredible challenge, even the simplest thing like a birth cert. is shrouded in mystery and suspicion. It begs the question why?
Is there more to all of this?
I, like you, hate this conspiracy theory BS, but now and again I'm given pause.
Like for instance, will Jeb wind up in the WH????
BO will fold or is a stooge of the Repugs, of that I am convinced.

R J Adams said...

Dear God! I'm so glad I'm not religious. Why are these people so touchy? "....[has] America....learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II...?"
No, of course not. Anyone who thinks otherwise is naive.
Obama stresses he isn't a Muslim because loads of his enemies are intent on insisting he is, and he won't make the presidency if they succeed in convincing Americans of it. Don't blame Obama, blame the Islamic terrorists who've terrified Americans to the extent a majority of them wouldn't vote for a Muslim if he said his name was Jesus Christ, raised Abraham Lincoln from the dead, and rode a donkey down Pennsylvania Avenue.
It would appear many Democrats would prefer another four years of Bush policies, rather than have a black man in the Oval Office.
I see my decision to stop reading the Daily Kos, some twelve months ago, has been vindicated. ;-)

Twilight said...

WWW - I doubt we'll ever get the truth and nothing but the truth - the public hardly ever does. If they did, and felt confident in as much, conspiracy theories wouldn't emerge. In the USA especially people have no confidence in what they are told - it's almost comical, reading around the net, to see how things are spun, twisted and mangled by various suspicions - one sets off another, and another, until the whole thing is so tangled it's impossible to think straight anymore. :-(

Twilight said...


Religion and race have become like allergens lately - take in a breath of 'em and you come away sneezing your head off!

Accusations of one kind or another result from the most innocent of remarks.

I'm still not sure how the muslim issue relates to what I was writing about today - or indeed what colour of skin has to do with anything at all. All of my uncertainties relate to other issues, and there are many.

One remark I saw when reading about the birth certificate muddle was that the Obama camp is happy for us all to be pondering this paricular issue, which they will take great pleasure in clarifying when it suits them - all the while sharp intelligences in the blogosphere are being occupied and kept away from other issues - far more dangerous to the presumptive nominee.

I dunno - I'm rolling with the flow and trying to absorb information, for future reference.
I've given up hope of clarity - this side of the GE anyway.