Monday, September 07, 2015

Music Monday ~ Chrissie Hynde, Michael Bublé & fan trouble.

These two musical stars have birthdays this week:

Chrissie Hynde, lead singer of The Pretenders, born 7 September, 1951 in Akron, Ohio.

Michael Bublé born on 9 September 1975, in Burnaby, British Columbia, Canada.

These two have something else in common: they've recently both been in trouble with some of their fans.

Ms Hynde was accused of "victim blaming" (See HERE)
"The Pretenders star blames herself for being sexual assaulted by a biker gang when she was 21. How sad that any woman could have this mindset"

Michael Buble hits a sour note with Instagram pic (See HERE)
Michael Buble is known for singing sweet love songs but he may have hit a sour note when he posted a picture of an oblivious woman's butt to his official Instagram page.
Some on social media were not pleased with Buble, and accused the 39 year old of body shaming the woman. His critics fired off comments like “Did you ask her permission to post that?” and “Would you say what you hashtagged to her face?”
Chrissie Hynde's natal chart is available at
Natal Moon @ 28 Scorpio - has/had trans Saturn conjunct...that could be a reflection of it!

Michael Bublé chart is available at Astrotheme.
Maybe that bit of bother was reflected in Neptune (photography) conjunct Black Moon Lilith in Pisces?

I'm not going to offer comment about either incident - I'd only get myself into trouble! Instead a song from both:

This one saw me through some very bad times:

Nobody sings this one as well as its writer, "Master of Space & Time", Leon Russell, but Michael does a very creditable job with it:


mike said...

Two very talented singers, though I'm much more partial to Hynde's voice and I've enjoyed The Pretenders for many years. I don't find Buble's vocals to be unique...perfect in many ways, but a bit generic.

They are obviously in the public eye, so I look for Pluto (the collective) aspects when controversy arises, and both have natal aspects to current transiting Pluto, and other aspects, as you indicated.

The zeitgeist is over-the-top with scrutiny and critique toward any individuals playing in the public domain thanks to the instant access of digital, social networking. The what-were-they-thinking-?-moments can be delivered to the environs of my home seconds after occurring. It must be horrifying to post a photo thought to be innocent, then receive instantaneous threats, boycotts, and derision, perhaps even making the national-global news. I suspect I would have crashed and burned numerous times already, had fame found me and delivered me to the masses. Of course, there are those individuals that have bolstered their popularity simply by espousing crass, insensitive remarks, such as The Donald and Kanye West...or the nobodies of the globe that fight the good fight for moral causes, such as Kentucky's new religious starlet, Kim Davis (soon to be made rich via a page). Of course, social media knows no boundaries when it comes to faux's available to anyone with a camera and-or keyboard.

mike (again) said...

Thinking about the controversy enveloping these two singers reminded me of "Black Mirror", S1E1, "The National Anthem", and the role of social media in the kidnapping of the princess, the prime minister, and the pig.

Twilight said...

mike ~ Yeah - it must be a hard job being famous in these days of social media and easy instant world-wide communication - but somebody has to do it. Awwww, poor things! ;-( Now, let's see if I can spell: schadenfreude!

I'd forgotten all about that "Black Mirror" episode with the pig and the PM.
We must have watched it very early on in our ROKU days, it had become buried under months of indiscriminate viewing. :-)

Sonny G said...

I'll offer a comment.. ms hynde is not only wrong in her abuse evaluation , she is severly damaging to those who have suffered abuse as well as adding to the good ole 'boys will be boys' mentally still so prevalent in this and every other country.

I often wonder what we ladies fought so hard for back in the late sixties and through the 70's just to have these younger women throw it to the wind..grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

as for bubble boy- maybe someone should take a pic of his mom's butt and flash it across every social media site.. how about that..

mike (again) said...

Sonny - My following comment will probably anger you, but I give Hynde praise for her personal evaluation of her rape experience:

"... She said: 'Technically speaking, however you want to look at it, this was all my doing and I take full responsibility. You can’t f*** about with people, especially people who wear ‘I Heart Rape’ and ‘On Your Knees’ badges ... those motorcycle gangs, that’s what they do.

'You can’t paint yourself into a corner and then say whose brush is this? You have to take responsibility. I mean, I was naive.'

When asked whether the gang took advantage of her vulnerability, she replied: 'If you play with fire you get burnt. It’s not any secret, is it?'

Hynde went on to say that women who dress provocatively while walking down the street drunk were also to blame if they were attacked. 'If I’m walking around in my underwear and I’m drunk? Who else’s fault can it be?' she said.

'If I’m walking around and I’m very modestly dressed and I’m keeping to myself and someone attacks me, then I’d say that’s his fault. But if I’m being very lairy and putting it about and being provocative, then you are enticing someone who’s already unhinged – don’t do that. Come on! That’s just common sense. You know, if you don’t want to entice a rapist, don’t wear high heels so you can’t run from him."

Sonny, I DO believe that any rapist (male or female) should be held accountable for their crime. Yes, rape is taking sexual advantage of someone and is completely wrong in my book of ethics. There have been many crimes, sexual and non-sexual, that could have been prevented had the individual taken preventative measures and precaution. We humans have never lived in an era where we can truly trust our fellow beings and we certainly don't live in a perfect world right now. The woman across the street from me frequently leaves her front door wide open and I've told her too many times that she's taking a risk she may not be prepared to manage, yet she continues. If she's robbed or raped, I would want the perpetrator to be prosecuted to the fullest, but I find it unfortunate that she provides the potential for an open invitation.

Victimization of any sort has always been a sore-spot for me. There are individuals that can honestly say they are victims, but more often than not, there is a shared responsibility and blame involved.

Would you have stepped onto that motorcycle, Sonny?

LB said...

I agree with Sonny.

As terrible as Hynde's experience must've been, it sounds as if she became more discerning as a result, which is a good thing. However I think her comments and the final conclusions she arrived at confuse two separate issues.

All of us -male, female, old, young- benefit from being cautious and aware, as much as we're able. What's *equally* true though, is that poor judgment and/or naivety NEVER invite or excuse rape, abuse or exploitation.

I also *strongly* disagree with the idea that rape victims are somehow to blame because of how they're dressed or what they've had to drink. Rape is about power and violence, not seduction.

mike (again) said...

LB - You said, "...poor judgment and/or naivety NEVER invite or excuse rape, abuse or exploitation." Do you leave your entry door unlocked? Do you leave your car unlocked with the keys in the ignition? Would you and your husband take a one hour evening stroll through Bayview or Sunnydale, if I gave you $5 for doing so? Each and every one of us has a right to feel safe and secure ANYWHERE and ANYTIME, whether it's our physical body or our possessions, but poor judgement and-or naivety can work against our safety and security. I do agree with you that there is no excuse for rape, abuse, or exploitation.

Sonny G said...

thank you LB..
this subject is a very sensitive one for me and your comment was much better than mine would have been..

LB said...

Sonny ~ I understand. It's a sensitive subject for many of us, me too. Most of us learn soon enough how unsafe and unjust the world can be. The best we can do is try to support and learn from one another.