Thursday, April 07, 2016

Astrology's Hints about Women in Power ?

In the interests of fairness and balance I guess I should post something exclusively about Hillary Clinton, rather than forever mentioning her in comparison to Bernie, during this primary season.

Poking around in my blog archives I found this, it was an ever so slightly off-topic snip found in a post about Evita, the woman, Eva Peron and the musical show based on her life. Extract from the post follows:

I came across something loosely linked to the Eva Peron story at British astrologer Marjorie Orr's website in a forum there. [Note: I'm sorry, but the link I posted in 2008 is now defunct].

Under the heading "USA anti-women", Marjorie Orr discusses women in power. I took the liberty of copying an extract. [Sadly the full context, as part of a discussion, is lost due to link being no longer live.]

The extract is interesting on another level - Clinton-wise! But that's another story, still to be told. I wonder if anyone will write a musical about that story, in years to come?

Marjorie Orr:
"What also seems relevant is Saturn Neptune. I was surprised when I did the research for my book the Astrological History of the World to find that Saturn Neptune is significant in women's rise to greater influence - for astrological reasons I still can't quite fathom - but it certainly was around in periods of women coming to power and workers demanding their rights. Perhaps Saturn Neptune's drive in its best aspect for a fairer society - with emotional Neptune eroding the masculine (Saturn) power base. There was a Saturn Neptune conjunction when Elizabeth I was crowned (Taurus) and again when Elizabeth II was crowned (Libra); a Saturn Neptune square when Queen Victoria was crowned and a wide square when Maggie Thatcher was elected PM. Indira Gandhi became the first Indian woman PM on a Saturn Neptune trine and Benazir Bhutto became the first woman to be Pakistan's PM on a Saturn Neptune conjunction (Capricorn).

Looking at the charts of these countries which have produced women rulers they all have strongish Saturn Neptune aspects natally. The UK 1066 has a Saturn Neptune trine; the UK 1801 has a very central Saturn Neptune square. Both the India 1877 and 1947 charts have Saturn Neptune sextiles as does Pakistan. And Argentina which produced Eva Peron has a Saturn Neptune conjunction natally. Israel also has a Saturn Neptune sextile natally and a 10th house Moon. They elected Golda Meir as PM in 1969 though not on a Sat Nep transit.

The USA does not have Saturn Neptune in aspect - and Saturn, the masculine planet, squares the Sun, trines Uranus, picks up Mars and maybe the Moon - so it is afflicted or at least very much in operation. And it's in aspect to both Sun and Moon emphasising the Emperor quality rather than the Empress. Italy has Saturn conjunct the Moon and opposing the Sun which is the same but worse.

The 2012 next Presidential Election has a Saturn Neptune trine; 2016 a square; 2020 a sextile and the next Saturn Neptune conjunction is in 2025 just after the 2024 election. But it may just not be in the nature of the USA to have a woman at the helm".

Interesting, but I feel sure there are arguments to the contrary! As mentioned, at present we have a Neptune-Saturn square going on, Saturn is in Sagittarius, Neptune in Pisces, both signs ruled traditionally by Jupiter, both mutable signs - not sure whether that'd be at all relevant here, but mutable does mean open to change!

Anyway, as far as these observations relate to 2016 - we shall soon see!


mike said...

No idea how Orr did her research, so there may be other factors involved, or merely coincidental. I'm not sure that astrology would have been able to differentiate our half black, half white, current POTUS, except that his win would fulfill some of the residual racial angst from the Uranus-Pluto conjunction of the mid 1960s, and Uranus-Pluto would be in square aspect during his reign. An interesting observation is that Saturn was at 19* Virgo opposing Uranus at 19* Pisces election day, 2008...Uranus-Pluto conjunction in 1965 was at 18* Virgo.

I would NOT want to see Hillary become POTUS, but should she become the DNC nominee (and it appears she bought or sold-out her way to nominee), I would prefer her over the Republican boys. I have no problem voting for the lesser of the evils, though I wouldn't necessarily describe her brand of evil lesser, just different...LOL. I've been a bit stunned by so many voters stating that it's time for a woman POTUS and, since Hillary is a woman, she's "it". Who cares about her character? She's the "one". Up-chuck.

mike (again) said...

P.S. - As mentioned prior, the winner of this election will have a very difficult presidency, whether the difficulties are self-made or delivered on a platter. As much as I would like Bernie for prez, I'd rather sacrifice Hillary into the caldera of the volcano...LOL.

Twilight said...

mike + (again) ~ Her finding could have been be coincidental, yes. Also, I'm never totally comfortable with anything relying on "birth" charts for countries, or for anything other than a human, or maybe an animal. Still, her finding is something to keep in mind if this election goes adrift from the way it was always expected to go(at least by the Dems).

It'd be fine to have a woman president in the USA, but I suspect that the type of woman I'd really like to see as president would be unlikely to run. Women such as Carly Fiorina, Margaret Thatcher, Michelle Bachmann and, to a lesser degree Hillary Clinton do/did not, in my opinion, embrace enough of the positive feminine attributes of empathy, sensitivity, warmth. In other words, they became/would have become masculine-ish in order to to do the job. The rare, right breed of woman would make a great president - but will she ever be found?

Re (again) ~ I agree in one way, I do - and yet, and yet.....

mike (again) said...

"The Problem With Hillary Clinton Isn’t Just Her Corporate Cash. It’s Her Corporate Worldview."

Anonymous said...

This is interesting:

And Christina recently posted about Venus in the chart of politically powerful women:

But as her commenter, eggcup, said, 'It got me thinking though, how this picture might change if we considered the Midheaven, and then looked at the sign and placement of its ruling planet.'

Twilight said...

mike (again) ~ Thanks for the link - will read in the morning. Have just stayed up to watch Bernie on the Seth Myers Late Late Show. :-)

Twilight said...

Sabina ~ Thank you - I shall investigate those links tomorrow (or is it today?)

There are so many angles from which to approach this subject, it'd make the head spin! :-)