Sunday, August 03, 2014

What did we do in the "war" (on terror) Daddy 'O'?

"We tortured some folks".

Using the royal "We" are we?

"We" also killed some folks, aka children and civilians, with "our" drones, didn't "we"?

What exactly are "we" then?





mike said...

The karma-poop just gets deeper and stinkier...can't shake it off.
From your link:

"I have full confidence in John Brennan," Obama said in response to questions by reporters who noted that leading Senators in his own party have called for the CIA chief's resignation over admissions that his agency did, in fact, spy on the investigative panel tasked to explore CIA torture practices following September 11th, 2001 and during the crucial leadup to the invasion of Iraq in 2003."

And another fine quote, with a quote within:
“It is a Bush administration official on the moment when torture breaks a victim:

The job of the interrogator is to safely help the terrorist do his duty to Allah, so he then feels liberated to speak freely.

From Neil Gaiman's account of a torturer in hell:

We will hurt you. And we are not sorry. But we do not do it to punish you. We do it to redeem you. Because afterward, you'll be a better person ... and because we love you. One day you'll thank us for it.

War is peace. Torture is freedom. In the end, you love Big Brother. ”
― Andrew Sullivan

And another from:

Except that this is nothing new for Obama. In April 2009, just a few months into his presidency, he rebuked former Vice President Dick Cheney's defenses of waterboarding and other Bush interrogation methods by stating outright, "I believe that waterboarding was torture and, whatever legal rationals were used, it was a mistake."

In November 2011, waterboarding came up during the Republican presidential primary, with candidates endorsing the Bush-era practice and competing over who could appear tougher on the issue. Again, Obama did not equivocate on calling it torture.

"They're wrong. Waterboarding is torture," he said at the time. "Anybody who has actually read about and understands the practice of waterboarding would say that that is torture. And that's not something we do -- period."

mike (again) said...

P.S. - It's kinda hard to recall all of the crimes of the Cheney-Bush regime, of which torture is simply one of too many:

Twilight said...

mike ~ Keeps on coming doesn't it?
And there's more today:

UK Accused of 'Censoring' Torture Report to Hide Own Role in Secret Renditions

Thanks for your quotes and links.

“I never wonder to see men wicked, but I often wonder to see them not ashamed.”
― Jonathan Swift

mike (again) said...

I imagine that we'll soon hear a resounding chorus of "that was then, this is now...let's move on and learn from our mistakes". No...I say let's buy a one-way ticket for Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld to The International Criminal Court, Hague, The Netherlands.

R J Adams said...

Obama's comments reminded me of my previous post on Sparrow Chat - where Richard Dawkins tweeted:
"Date rape is bad. Stranger rape at knifepoint is worse..."
Obama seemed to be saying, "Our torture wasn't so bad as others, as ours was committed with more justification."
From where do they extract their double standards?

Twilight said...

mike ~ Yes - and I'd add the Prez to that list.

Twilight said...

RJ Adams ~ Standards? They don't have that word in their vocabulary - unless it applies to keeping up their standards of living and stashing away more and more $$$$$$$$$$.