At mentalfloss.com, among a list of famous people who share a birthday we find:
Candy Barr and The Dalai Lama (July 6, 1935)
"Let’s see those astrologers try to explain this one: The notorious stripper and exotic dancer shared her special day with the revered spiritual leader of Tibet. Yin and yang?" ......It says.
Okay - I enjoy a challenge. I'll take that one. I'm not sure whether anybody else has tried, but if so can't find evidence of it online. I have nothing to lose, so.......
Candy Barr, born Juanita Dale Slusher, for those too young (or too foreign like me) to know, was a stripper, burlesque exotic dancer, actress in a pornographic movie, and model in men's magazines.
She was born in Edna Texas, youngest of five children, sexually abused by a neighbour, ran away to Dallas at age 13, and into a prostitution/white slavery den. Married first husband when age 14. By 16 she'd starred in a pornographic movie (one of the first). She went on to be a stripper and burlesque dancer. Fell foul of the law on several occasions, often due to marijuana possession. Several unsuccessful marriages and a prison sentence decorate her biography.
While in prison she began writing poetry - a book of her poems has been published, titled A Quiet Mind....Confused. At the beginning of the book, she wrote: "Loneliness is like an early frost. Let us be among the seedlings that survive . . ."
The title poem :
She died of pneumonia while in quiet retirement in December 2005.
His Holiness Dalai Lama (born Lhamo Dondrub) is....well we all know he's as far from matching the above as any human could be:
First, a few general observations.
Think on this: had the gender of these two individuals been reversed their lives would have run along VERY different lines.
Dalai Lama would most certainly not have been Dalai Lama if born a girl. Who knows which way life would have forced her to proceed, what she would have needed to do to make her way ? And had Candy Barr been born male, he might have escaped childhood abuse, managed to obtain a reasonable level of education, and....become a preacher in one of Texas's many churches, writing numerous books for the spiritual development of his flock.
Gender - a giant hurdle, to be added to the vast geographical and cultural differences into which the two babes were born. How similar would we expect their lives to be?
To my mind astrology, via the natal chart, presents just a "shape" an outline, which could be filled in numerous different ways, within the confines of that "shape".
Time of birth is a crucial element in the natal chart.
Astrodatabank offers 4:00 AM for Candy Barr with an AA rating ("birth certificate in hand") so we can rely on that one, within a few minutes anyway.
The Dalai Lama's birth time has been the subject of some deliberation. Astrodatabank has given 4:38 AM an A rating, which some commenters consider is undeserved. Still, Astrodatabank is pretty strict, has its reasons, the A rating would not have been given without cause - that time is reliable enough for me. My software will not give me the village where he was born, as stated by Astrodatabank, so I've found the nearest co-ordinates to the birth place they give.
I've taken place of birth for Candy Barr from Astrodatabank: Edna, Texas.
Okay. Any minor discrepancy in exact place, or exact time of birth will not seriously affect what needs to be looked at.
First thing to consider is how different were the earthly situations into which they emerged. These were, of course, as different as they possibly could be, as were their early experiences: sexual abuse in one case, reverenetial adoration in the other.
Patterns drawn by planetary transits, especially those of slow-moving outer planets affect individuals with similar birth charts in similar ways, which though similar at core may seem wildly different as they manifest.
I see the shadow of a similarity in the two patterns of life here. Candy Barr, an abused child, fled from her home to an equally unfortunate life style. Dalai Lama was forced, by an invading enemy nation, to leave his home country and live out his life in exile. Both individuals must share some kind of inner strength to have overcome their challenges.
Time of birth is the only significant difference in these charts. Dalai Lama has Cancer rising, with Cancer Sun and Pluto in first house of self. Candy Barr had Gemini rising with Cancer Sun (just) in first house along with Gemini Mercury. Rising sign is said to be the lens through which an individual is seen by the world -and through which she/he sees the world. There are wide differences between Cancer rising and Gemini rising. Cancer = gentle, caring, nurturing, quiet. Gemini = social butterfly, bubbly, quick-witted, short attention span. So Candy Barr had this one astrological difference from Dalai Lama: the overlay of Gemini to modify her gentle Cancer Sun.
A Grand Trine in Water signs in both charts links Cancer Sun/Pisces Saturn/Scorpio Jupiter. I see this as representing emotional strength - something which, odd as it may seem, they surely share.
During the period between 1959 and 1960 when transiting Saturn was opposing their natal Cancer Suns both these individuals experienced traumatic times: Dalai Lama had to flee from his homeland of Tibet into India. Around the same time Candy Barr was imprisoned: "After being incarcerated for over three years, Barr was paroled from Goree women's unit on April 1, 1963" (Wikipedia).
Both have Moon (inner self) and Neptune (creativity) conjoined in Virgo. Virgo is ruled by Mercury planet of communication. Barr wrote a book of poems while in prison; His Holiness has written at least 72 books while in exile.
Both individuals are known to the world by names other than the names given to them as children. I'm not sure whether this might relate to Moon conjunct Neptune - Neptune connects to illusion, after all.
Summing up:
Candy Barr found her way from a childhood of abuse by trading on sensuality. His Holiness the Dalai Lama, with his position abused, though in a different way, continues to walk the path of spirituality. Are these two qualities, sensuality and spirituality so very different? Are they not two notes of the same chord? Do they perhaps both arise from that Grand Trine in Water signs?
DOING WHAT THEY DO/DID
(Teaching Joan Collins how to strip).
Any other ideas from passing readers on these two charts will be gratefully received.
Sources:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candy_Barr. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/14th_Dalai_Lama
Candy Barr and The Dalai Lama (July 6, 1935)
"Let’s see those astrologers try to explain this one: The notorious stripper and exotic dancer shared her special day with the revered spiritual leader of Tibet. Yin and yang?" ......It says.
Okay - I enjoy a challenge. I'll take that one. I'm not sure whether anybody else has tried, but if so can't find evidence of it online. I have nothing to lose, so.......
Candy Barr, born Juanita Dale Slusher, for those too young (or too foreign like me) to know, was a stripper, burlesque exotic dancer, actress in a pornographic movie, and model in men's magazines.She was born in Edna Texas, youngest of five children, sexually abused by a neighbour, ran away to Dallas at age 13, and into a prostitution/white slavery den. Married first husband when age 14. By 16 she'd starred in a pornographic movie (one of the first). She went on to be a stripper and burlesque dancer. Fell foul of the law on several occasions, often due to marijuana possession. Several unsuccessful marriages and a prison sentence decorate her biography.
While in prison she began writing poetry - a book of her poems has been published, titled A Quiet Mind....Confused. At the beginning of the book, she wrote: "Loneliness is like an early frost. Let us be among the seedlings that survive . . ."The title poem :
"Hate the world that strikes you down,
A warped lesson quickly learned.
Rebellion, a universal sound,
Nobody cares, no one's concerned.
Fatigued by unyielding strife,
Self-pity consoles the abused,
And the bludgeoning of daily life,
Leaves a gentle mind . . . confused."
She died of pneumonia while in quiet retirement in December 2005.
His Holiness Dalai Lama (born Lhamo Dondrub) is....well we all know he's as far from matching the above as any human could be:"Tibetan supreme spiritual ruler of his country, in exile. Some six million Tibetans believe him to be the reborn soul of Buddha of Compassion, the Protector of the Land of Snows, the Holder of the White Lotus, the Mighty of Speech, Tibet's Wish-Fulfilling Gem, and Kundun-the Presence. "His Holiness the Dalai Lama's background is widely known.) Here clipped from Astrodatabank
Born in a small village in Tibet to farmer parents, he was the fifth of seven children. When the 13th Dalai Lama died in 1933, Tibetan elders searched through the nation's children to find him in this, his 14th incarnation. When the search party reached his parent's mud and stone house in Taktser in 1937, the toddler passed a series of tests: He named the monk leading the search, and he picked out several objects that had belonged to his predecessor.
The young boy was proclaimed the Dalai Lama and installed on the Lion Throne in the thousand-room palace in Lhasa, Tibet's holy city. A regent ruled Tibet until the boy was old enough to assume his destined role. Though he was given a thorough spiritual education, he was nonetheless a kid, and played a kid's tricks and games, sometimes getting into trouble and scolded. He insists that he has no regrets about a lost childhood. "The important thing is that men should have a purpose in life," he says. "It should be something useful, something good."The country was invaded by Chinese communists in 1950 and three years ahead of schedule, the 15-year-old boy was given political and religious authority under difficult circumstances. The Chinese claimed they came to "liberate" Tibet from the "poison of imperialism and religion." In 1959, when Chinese forces drew close to Lhasa, threatening his life, His Holiness, accompanied by a few close advisors and family members, fled to India on 3/31/1959.
First, a few general observations. Think on this: had the gender of these two individuals been reversed their lives would have run along VERY different lines.
Dalai Lama would most certainly not have been Dalai Lama if born a girl. Who knows which way life would have forced her to proceed, what she would have needed to do to make her way ? And had Candy Barr been born male, he might have escaped childhood abuse, managed to obtain a reasonable level of education, and....become a preacher in one of Texas's many churches, writing numerous books for the spiritual development of his flock.
Gender - a giant hurdle, to be added to the vast geographical and cultural differences into which the two babes were born. How similar would we expect their lives to be?
To my mind astrology, via the natal chart, presents just a "shape" an outline, which could be filled in numerous different ways, within the confines of that "shape".
Time of birth is a crucial element in the natal chart.
Astrodatabank offers 4:00 AM for Candy Barr with an AA rating ("birth certificate in hand") so we can rely on that one, within a few minutes anyway.
The Dalai Lama's birth time has been the subject of some deliberation. Astrodatabank has given 4:38 AM an A rating, which some commenters consider is undeserved. Still, Astrodatabank is pretty strict, has its reasons, the A rating would not have been given without cause - that time is reliable enough for me. My software will not give me the village where he was born, as stated by Astrodatabank, so I've found the nearest co-ordinates to the birth place they give.
I've taken place of birth for Candy Barr from Astrodatabank: Edna, Texas.
Okay. Any minor discrepancy in exact place, or exact time of birth will not seriously affect what needs to be looked at.
First thing to consider is how different were the earthly situations into which they emerged. These were, of course, as different as they possibly could be, as were their early experiences: sexual abuse in one case, reverenetial adoration in the other.
Patterns drawn by planetary transits, especially those of slow-moving outer planets affect individuals with similar birth charts in similar ways, which though similar at core may seem wildly different as they manifest.
I see the shadow of a similarity in the two patterns of life here. Candy Barr, an abused child, fled from her home to an equally unfortunate life style. Dalai Lama was forced, by an invading enemy nation, to leave his home country and live out his life in exile. Both individuals must share some kind of inner strength to have overcome their challenges.
Time of birth is the only significant difference in these charts. Dalai Lama has Cancer rising, with Cancer Sun and Pluto in first house of self. Candy Barr had Gemini rising with Cancer Sun (just) in first house along with Gemini Mercury. Rising sign is said to be the lens through which an individual is seen by the world -and through which she/he sees the world. There are wide differences between Cancer rising and Gemini rising. Cancer = gentle, caring, nurturing, quiet. Gemini = social butterfly, bubbly, quick-witted, short attention span. So Candy Barr had this one astrological difference from Dalai Lama: the overlay of Gemini to modify her gentle Cancer Sun.
A Grand Trine in Water signs in both charts links Cancer Sun/Pisces Saturn/Scorpio Jupiter. I see this as representing emotional strength - something which, odd as it may seem, they surely share.
During the period between 1959 and 1960 when transiting Saturn was opposing their natal Cancer Suns both these individuals experienced traumatic times: Dalai Lama had to flee from his homeland of Tibet into India. Around the same time Candy Barr was imprisoned: "After being incarcerated for over three years, Barr was paroled from Goree women's unit on April 1, 1963" (Wikipedia).
Both have Moon (inner self) and Neptune (creativity) conjoined in Virgo. Virgo is ruled by Mercury planet of communication. Barr wrote a book of poems while in prison; His Holiness has written at least 72 books while in exile.Both individuals are known to the world by names other than the names given to them as children. I'm not sure whether this might relate to Moon conjunct Neptune - Neptune connects to illusion, after all.
Summing up:
Candy Barr found her way from a childhood of abuse by trading on sensuality. His Holiness the Dalai Lama, with his position abused, though in a different way, continues to walk the path of spirituality. Are these two qualities, sensuality and spirituality so very different? Are they not two notes of the same chord? Do they perhaps both arise from that Grand Trine in Water signs?
DOING WHAT THEY DO/DID
(Teaching Joan Collins how to strip).
Any other ideas from passing readers on these two charts will be gratefully received.
Sources:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candy_Barr. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/14th_Dalai_Lama
10 comments:
I wonder if you realized, Twilight (and today your post is more light than twi !) that Mars in the heavens opposes EXACTLY Mars of the two individuals you present?
Are you an "agent provocateur"?
Agreed that sensuality and spirituality may be very akin to each other. There are stories (suppressed of course) about many saints (including JC) having had some intense if not pleasure at least struggle "with the flesh".
One of the stories I found of interest is that of two Hindus, who after seing a pretty girl, continued on their way. Some considerable time later, the younger Hindu asked if it would have been right to have had an affair with that woman. The elder's response was that this type of question can go on for ages. For his part he had "so totally enjoyed the girl's appearance and looks, that thinking about it again could never match the quality of the original moment of encounter"
Great post, T. How gender does determine our fate, how spirit and sense are so intertwined.
A lot to ponder.
XO
WWW
Gian Paul ~~~ No - I hadn't realised that! You're right, mars is at 18 Aries today.
Agent provacateur? Moi? Hardly.
LOL! I could easily be persuaded to provoke certain groups though.
;-)
Sensuality and spirituality - yes I pondered a while on that and couldn't come up with exactly what I wanted to write about it, even though I "sensed" a connection.
Sensuality relates to all our senses, not only those of a sexual or lusty nature - which are usually brought to mind by the term. To be spiritual I suppose one would need to have all senses firing at full blast - so sensuality is a requirement of spirituality. But spirituality need not be a requirement of sensuality......does that make sense?
WWW ~~~ thank you!
Yes - gender was paramount in the cases covered by the post - and in all such cases of comparative lifestyles - to some extent. The further back in history one goes, the more important gender becomes as a factor.
You are asking difficult questions, Twilight. Here my humble thought: Sensuality (including the more noble, evolved aspects of it) belongs to the "incarnate, material" part of humans.
Spirituality, for who wants to believe in that existing, probably will not mix easily with the "lower nature". Hence the religious kind of aspiration which wishes to overcome, exit the lower nature.
But is that not possibly a construction of the mind? The story of the two Hindus offers a better approach, I find.
sexually abused by a neighbour, ran away to Dallas at age 13, and into a prostitution/white slavery den
Usual pattern. As usual too, an entertaining post.
Gian Paul ~~~ Difficult Questions Are Us! - I should change the name of this blog! :-)
Yes, it's a question that everybody would answer, and perceive, in a different way.
I've never really understood "spirituality", but had best not get into that discussion.
The Hindu story you quoted does indicate that the ability to appreciate sensually is present in us all - but how we choose to proceed after that appreciation is important.
I'm sure the Dalai Lama appreciates beauty - in female form as well as other forms - it's part of life, part of what we are.
But that would be his boundary - the appreciation.
Sensuality and spirituality are both emotionally driven, though, and therefore link to that Grand Trine in their charts. Two ways of manifesting.
James Higham ~~Thanks. Sadly, yes, I guess many young women have been forced to follow a similar pattern - but with less notoriety than Ms Barr.
Ah, the idea of H.H. in a dress, 'darling of the mob', is almost too much to entertain. ;-)
RJ Adams ~~~ LOL! But he's used to wearing "a frock" of sorts. The high heels would be a killer though. ;-)
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