Thursday, February 09, 2017

Will President Trump Weather the Storms?

I contributed this post to Broad Oak Magazine blog (link in sidebar) a while ago using, at the blog's editor's suggestion, remarks of J.H. Kunstler in a piece HERE. May as well put the post to use again, here!
Snip from Kunstler's article:
If the first forty-eight hours are any measure of the alleged Trumptopia-to-come, the leading man in this national melodrama appears to be meshuga. A more charitable view might be that his behavior does not comport with the job description: president. If he keeps it up, I stick to my call that we will see him removed by extraordinary action within a few months. It might be a lawful continuity-of-government procedure according to the 25th Amendment — various high officials declaring him “incapacitated” — or it might be a straight-up old school coup d’état (“You’re fired”).

I believe the trigger for that may be an overwhelming financial crisis in the early second quarter of the year. In, the first case, under Section 4 of the 25th Amendment, it works like this:
Donald Trump was born in Jamaica, Queens, New York on 14 June 1946 at 10.54 AM. Below is his natal chart.

A brief run-down of personality characteristics indicated: positions of Sun, Moon and rising sign (sign coming over horizon at exact time of birth) are the "big three" items thought by astrologers to reflect most clearly in the native's personality. Trump's Sun (core self) in Gemini - the most communicative and one of the most flexible signs of the zodiac, perhaps reflects his love of Tweeting and generally making his opinions widely known. Conjunct (within a few degrees of) his Sun is Uranus, planet known for the unexpected, eccentricity, and change. This is significant!

Trump's Moon (inner self) was in Sagittarius, sign known for exaggeration, expansiveness, publication, among other things. That's a good fit!

Rising sign was Leo, and at 29 degrees where we also find Royal Fixed Star Regulus. This is the part of his chart that first impressed me as a sign that, though my brain was telling me he couldn't, and wouldn't ever be President of the USA - he darn well could be and would have leadership essentials to be such, according to his chart. I pushed the thought away, deciding that it could be simply a reflection of successes he had already realised. I should mention here that Mars sits just 3 degrees from his rising degree, and Mars reflects dynamism and aggressive tendencies.

So, we have Gemini, Sagittarius and Leo - I'm keeping this down to absolute basics, these three are underpinnings to his personality: communication, over-expansiveness, leadership. There's something more to mention to fill out the picture: Mercury, Saturn and Venus are all in Cancer. Cancer has a very different flavour from the signs already mentioned. Cancer (symbol is the crab) is, first and foremost ultra-sensitive; also home and family loving, tends to withdraw when threatened. We've seen Trump's sensitivity to criticism many times. He draws on that natal Mars on his ascendant sign, combined with Gemini Sun's communication skills, exaggerated by Sagittarius Moon, to produce his frequent counter-punches. Deep inside, though, he will be feeling genuinely hurt. He will be a quite, quite different guy at home surrounded by family, than the one he presents to his voters and opponents.

There's lots more in the chart, via aspects and cycles, but for me, the above elements are key.

Now, since 1946, the year Trump was born, the planets have been moving along in their respective orbits at varying speeds; faster moving planets have frequently joined Trump's natal planets - this isn't particularly significant; but the slower-moving outer planets, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune and Pluto when, in course of their transits meet they up with a Trump natal planet, sit close to it for much longer periods, that is what needs to be noted.

In this case Saturn, Uranus and Pluto are the planetary transits most involved.
Saturn, planet of restriction and limitation was exactly conjunct Trump's natal Moon from late December 2016 to early January this year, signifying some inner feelings of tension no doubt, during the time up to inauguration day. Saturn is slowly moving away now, degree by degree. However, come this summer Saturn will appear to backtrack (retrograde) and "hit" his Moon again, and from late June to October it'll be within a few degrees of his Moon again. So there's more tension to come. Exactly what form it will take can't be known. Will it be enough to bring on the event Mr Kunstler predicted? There's no way of knowing.

Uranus planet of change and the unexpected currently sits at around 20 to 21 Aries, will travel from there to the end of that sign between now and May 2018, with a retrograde motion or two. Though transiting Uranus is currently in friendly aspect (angle) to Trump's Sun, and Moon it's also in challenging angle to Venus and Saturn in Cancer - possibly a reflection of the arguments about his conflicting business and presidential interests.

Pluto is transiting the mid- to late teens of Capricorn right now, and until around this time next year. Pluto represents needed transformations preceded by some chaos and difficult times. While Pluto will not be conjoining any of Trump's natal planets in the near future, it will be in awkward aspect (at a significantly challenging angle) to some of them, namely Jupiter in Libra, Uranus in Gemini and later his Sun in Gemini - at times later on this year and next year.

One doesn't need to be an astrologer to foresee what astrology is telling us - i.e. that there are many tough times and challenges ahead for the new President. Whether these times will be tough enough for J.H. Kunstler's prediction to be fulfilled is another matter. Personally, I doubt it.

Another way to investigate this would be to look at the Vice-President's chart, for he would become President should any kind of "coup" occur. A very quick look - it has to be a 12 noon chart because Pence's exact time of birth isn't known.

Mike Pence was born on 7 June 1959 in Columbus, Indiana. Time of birth unknown. Chart set for 12 noon.

Moon position and rising sign will not be as shown here. Moon could have been either in late Gemini or early Cancer - impossible to guess which - I can see reasons for both. Interesting that Trump chose a fellow-Gemini as his VP. He's a very different Gemini-type though. Pence doesn't have Uranus conjunct his Sun, though Uranus is in a friendly angle to it. Pence is a very smooth communicator, as was shown during the VP's debate when his skills in that area were undeniable when contrasted with Clinton's VP, Tim Kaine's bluster.

Pluto will be (and has already been) at a similarly challenging angle to Pence's Sun at 16 Gemini and to his Mercury (planet of communication) at 21 Gemini as to Trump's Sun and Uranus. This could indicate they'll both be dealing with multiple challenges from "We the People" - what affects one will affect t'other, whether in dealing with every day difficulties, or, I guess, via one taking over the position of the other, even. But, in general, from the information here, I don't see any clear indication of change of actual career status or position for Pence coming up.


Twilight said...

Received by e-mail from JD

Interesting post, especially how it highlights what I consider to be Trump's greatest weakness; his hyper sensitive ego.

The furious reaction to reports of the crowd at his inauguration was an echo of his equally furious reaction to criticism of him by Michael Forbes. Trump said Forbes lived like a pig, lived in a pigsty (clearly Trump has never seen a farm before!)
If Trump continues to react to every bit of criticism in the same way then the job will kill him before there might be any political effort to remove him.

Since then we have seen his reaction to the judges putting a hold on his immigration plans; a petulant rant over some store cancelling his daughter's fashion brand; and now I see the towels on Air Force One are too 'rough'. Clearly his hands and face are as sensitive as his ego!

He can't keep that up for the next four years, he will be carried out on a stretcher gibbering away to himself.

Twilight said...

JD ~ Yes, that constant hyper-sensitivity can't be doing his system much good. Maybe he'll harden with earwax - same nuisance value. :-)

All things considered, I suspect he has better than a 50/50 chance of seeing out a first term, especially if he decides to replace Steve Bannon at some point. I doubt he'll be feeling inclined to run for a 2nd term though, for fear of losing and losing face - or whatever bits of face he has managed to preserve.

Bob said...

I make my measurements in right ascension but most dates will be the same or nearly the same as when measured in longitude. Exceptions would likely be aspects to the Moon or Pluto. All of my return charts are precession corrected.

Less than 5 months after inauguration Trump’s chart is showing difficult aspects forming and increasing in numbers and strength like a storm coming in. He will have a solar return 5 months after inauguration with Saturn hard at work locked into an opposition to his Sun just for starters.

Trump's natal MC is at 51°48'. It is squared by his natal Mars-Pluto midpoint at 141°54' (51°48' + 90° = 141°48'). Saturn/Neptune midpoint also rises at 51°20'. Were it not for his particular MC these points would probably have less expression by him. Their strong placement makes a good case for a bi-polar personality (Mars/Pluto for manic episodes, Saturn/Neptune for depressive).

He has a natal paran wherein when natal Sun is on the ascendant natal Moon is on the descendant and natal Mars is on the IC.

For birth place: Sun rises at 330°27', Moon sets at 328°48', Mars is on the IC at 329°26'.

Bob said...

Why are we in this mess?

Sibly Sufferring -The Sibly chart progressed Saturn/Neptune midpoint (slow moving because it is a progressed point) is on the Sibly natal Saturn.

SIBLY Sec.Prog. Q2 Mean Quotidian, Feb 2 2017, 7:38 pm, EST +5:00

Saturn 211°46' + Neptune 176°58' = 388°44' / 2 = 194°22'

SIBLY Jul 4 1776 NS (Jun 23 1776 OS), 5:10 pm, LMT +5:00:39

Saturn 194°36'

I think it is possible that trump may face impeachment proceedings twice with a whitewash the first time (wind up March 5th through March 10th 2018) resulting in such a strong public backlash in the midterm elections in 2018 – loss of many seats and control of the House by the GOP with public announcement of intentions for the same treatment of rethugs in the Senate and WH in 2020. Then successfully impeached in Jan 2020 in an effort to save the WH and Senate seats in the coming election.

The 2018 House solar return (precessed) has the Aug 21 SE (which puts trump’s troubles into high gear) conjunct it’s Asc.

Charts showing Donald’s and Donald Jr.’s charts engaged by the total solar eclipse in August 2017 and the Saturn and Pluto conjunction in January of 2020. It looks like a family affair.

Bob said...

The natal configuration below says a lot about Bannon's expression of a twisted psyche. His choice.

His natal Mars/Saturn midpoint 204°04'. His natal Neptune at 203°50' is on it.

Both are squared by the powerful Sun, Saturn, and Pluto transits on January 13, 2020.


Trump Saturn 23°49′ Cancer - 115°43'
GOP Jupiter 23°43′ Capricorn - 295°40'
Bannon Nep 25°Li04 - 203°50'

Trump natal progressed to January 13, 2020, winds up with the USA total solar eclipse of Aug 21, 2017, on it’s IC and eclipse Saturn on the Desc.

How trump’s chart and the transits of Jan 13, 2020 relate to the chart of the only resignation in presidential history.

I checked the charts (almost all timed for noon) of Bannon, DeVos, Mattis, Perry, Priebus, Sessions, and Tillerson for March 10, 2018, the date I thought could be a difficult day for trump but one he might get through a little worse for wear. The charts for all of them, either natal or progressed (not using the Moon or angles) receive hard hits from transiting Sun, Mars, Saturn, Neptune, or Pluto as does trumps chart.

How the Sibly 22 degree points interact with the chart I use for the GOP and vice versa. The interaction could help to explain GOP governing leading up to the biggest financial collapses the country has seen. In the almost 98 years from May of 1919 through January of 2017 the Republican party has only controlled the law making of the United States for 2 extended periods of time. Both times their policies led to financial collapse.

Besides transiting points in the charts of trump, Pence, the Republican party, Bannon, and others associated with that gang on January 13, 2020 the stellium sits on the MC of trump’s secondary progressed inauguration chart.

Mar/Sat 25°Li11 - 204°04'

January 13, 2020, 10 am, EST

Pluto 22°48 Capricorn - 294°45'
Sun 22°52′ Capricorn - 294°42'
Saturn 22°53′ Capricorn - 294°42'
Mercury 24°45′ Capricorn - 297°04'

Bob said...

Links to dates of Saturn transits to the Sibly charts Mars and Neptune (both natal and precessed positions) and to trump’s Moon and Sun and finally to the 3 images combined into 1 horizontal image.

Transit Saturn to Sibly Mars and Neptune.

Transit Saturn to trump Moon

Transit Saturn to trump Sun

Triple Play

The Aug 21 solar eclipse will be right on the true body position of Bannons natal and progressed Plutos.

Not shown - Progressed natal Pluto: 150°03′.

Add Bannon to the unholy mix getting the axe on Jan 13, 2020. His secondary progressed Neptune will be at 204°47′ – squared by the transiting merciless three.

A noon chart for Robert Mercer has a Sun/Saturn midpoint at 114°48′. It’s opposite point would be 294°48′. The day I think may take trump down, Jan 13, 2020, has transit Sun at 294°42′, transit Saturn at 294°42′, and transit Pluto at 294°45′.

Another right winger joins trump, the republican party, and trump jr. who has secondary progressed Mars (in longitude) on his papa’s Saturn and in opposition to those powerful transits, in getting hammered on that day.


The GOP chart I use (July 6 1854) progressed to Jan 13, 2020, with transits around it. This progression has that progressed Mars aspecting points in a slew of charts I have done for that date, trumps Saturn being one.

I do not often use charts for any political party as all available times are shaky but this progression fits the other charts I have for that date like a hand in a glove.

Twilight said...

Bob ~ wow! Thant's a lot of information - many thanks. Yoo much to take in at one go - I shall return frequently to watch how things unfold.

You seem not to see Trump leaving much before the end of a first term though - which is what I suspect too.

I just hope 2020 doesn't put us back on that flippin' neo-liberal track again (probably via Booker)- otherwise this will have been all for nought. Dems better find a new Bernie figure fast!

Wisewebwoman said...

45 may be impeached? Any sign of that? Or China conflict though he seems to be in grovel mode now thanks to his puppeteers. It is s nightmare.


Twilight said...

Wisewebwoman ~ Impeachment? I somehow think not, at least not early on. It'd only give us Mike Pence as president anyway - and he'd be worse if anything! Trump is stirring things up, not usually in a good way, that's for sure. Nobody is confident what to expect, this is "untrodden ground". :-(

Hope you're feeling a little better.

Janet Babin said...

according to the chart i see, Trump's VERTEX is at 22 and change of Cap. So the Pluto-Saturn conjunction of January 20, 2020 will happen right on his vertex, in the fifth house.

Twilight said...

Janet Babin ~ Removal vans visiting the White House perhaps? ;)