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Listening to a BBC programme on-line a few days ago I heard a female vocalist singing "Don't Cry For Me, Argentina" from the musical show "Evita". It took me back many years to the time when the music for the show, written by Andrew Lloyd Webber and Tim Rice first hit the airwaves and record stores.
I bought a recording of the original concept album of 1976, the London studio version with Eva Peron's part sung by Julie Covington.
For me, this version was never bettered. I was entranced by it, played it over and over.....and over! We saw the show on stage when a version of it arrived in Yorkshire, years later. I felt a bit let down though, it didn't have the magic I had in my mind. I bought the DVD of the movie starring Madonna, still more years later, and again felt let down. It didn't do it for me, I was spoiled - by the version I'd fallen in love with, all those years ago.
With a newly acquired replacement CD of my old, lost Evita tapes playing in the background, I looked into the astrology of Eva Peron, born 7 May 1919, in the Los Toldos province of Buenos Aires, Argentina.
A Google search revealed that an astrologer has already written about Eva's chart - Deborah Houlding's brief interpretation with chart illustration is HERE.
Below is a chart from my own software. I used the coordinates in Ms Houlding's version, as the exact rural location of Eva's birth doesn't seem to be precisely stated anywhere. Time of birth used is 5.15 am, Astrotheme gives a similar birth time. Cynical me suspects this may be a rectification. Would an illegitimate birth in rural Argentina have a time of birth recorded? Who knows? Perhaps.
I don't understand why my software gives late Taurus rising and the chart in Ms Houlding's article shows early Aries rising. Hmmmm. (??)
Irrespective of rising sign, I think the key to Eva's undoubtedly powerful personality, her early and eventual misfortunes is Sun conjunct Mars and Moon conjunct Saturn. Her very essence is heavily influenced by two powerful planets which the ancients considered "malefics". I don't see that these are merely bad influences though, both Mars and Saturn have positive sides - energy, dynamism, necessary law and authority for instance. The two powerful planets are reflected in the story of Eva Peron's life, her rise from poverty to power through nothing but her own determined efforts.
Searching further, I came across something, loosely linked to the above, on astrologer Marjorie Orr's website in a forum HERE.
Under heading "USA anti-women"(08 Jun 2008 14:22), Marjorie Orr discusses women in power. I've taken the liberty of copying an extract, but it's necessary to read the whole discussion for context.
The extract is interesting on another level - Clinton-wise! But that's another story, still to be told. I wonder if anyone will write a musical about that one, in years to come?
"What also seems relevant is Saturn Neptune. I was surprised when I did the research for my book the ''Astrological History of the World'' to find that Saturn Neptune is significant in women''s rise to greater influence - for astrological reasons I still can''t quite fathom - but it certainly was around in periods of women coming to power and workers'' demanding their rights. Perhaps Saturn Neptune''s drive in its best aspect for a fairer society - with emotional Neptune eroding the masculine (Saturn) power base. There was a Saturn Neptune conjunction when Elizabeth 1 was crowned (Taurus) and again when Elizabeth 11 was crowned (Libra); a Saturn Neptune square when Queen Victoria was crowned and a wide square when Maggie Thatcher was elected PM. Indira Gandhi became the first Indian woman PM on a Saturn Neptune trine and Benazir Bhutto became the first woman to be Pakistan''s PM on a Saturn Neptune conjunction (Capricorn).
Looking at the charts of these countries which have produced women rulers they all have strongish Saturn Neptune aspects natally. The UK 1066 has a Saturn Neptune trine; the UK 1801 has a very central Saturn Neptune square. Both the India 1877 and 1947 charts have Saturn Neptune sextiles as does Pakistan. And Argentina which produced Eva Peron has a Saturn Neptune conjunction natally. Israel also has a Saturn Neptune sextile natally and a 10th house Moon. They elected Golda Meir as PM in 1969 though not on a Sat Nep transit.
The USA does not have Saturn Neptune in aspect - and Saturn, the masculine planet, squares the Sun, trines Uranus, picks up Mars and maybe the Moon - so it is afflicted or at least very much in operation. And it''s in aspect to both Sun and Moon emphasising the Emperor quality rather than the Empress. Italy has Saturn conjunct the Moon and opposing the Sun which is the same but worse.
The 2012 next Presidential Election has a Saturn Neptune trine; 2016 a square; 2020 a sextile and the next Saturn Neptune conjunction is in 2025 just after the 2024 election. But it may just not be in the nature of the USA to have a woman at the helm".
(NOTE: Using the birth data I have, Eva Peron's Saturn/Neptune conjunction is very wide (15*) normally too wide an orb to consider, but in this case it could be relevant, I guess.)
I bought a recording of the original concept album of 1976, the London studio version with Eva Peron's part sung by Julie Covington.
For me, this version was never bettered. I was entranced by it, played it over and over.....and over! We saw the show on stage when a version of it arrived in Yorkshire, years later. I felt a bit let down though, it didn't have the magic I had in my mind. I bought the DVD of the movie starring Madonna, still more years later, and again felt let down. It didn't do it for me, I was spoiled - by the version I'd fallen in love with, all those years ago.With a newly acquired replacement CD of my old, lost Evita tapes playing in the background, I looked into the astrology of Eva Peron, born 7 May 1919, in the Los Toldos province of Buenos Aires, Argentina.
A Google search revealed that an astrologer has already written about Eva's chart - Deborah Houlding's brief interpretation with chart illustration is HERE.
Below is a chart from my own software. I used the coordinates in Ms Houlding's version, as the exact rural location of Eva's birth doesn't seem to be precisely stated anywhere. Time of birth used is 5.15 am, Astrotheme gives a similar birth time. Cynical me suspects this may be a rectification. Would an illegitimate birth in rural Argentina have a time of birth recorded? Who knows? Perhaps.
I don't understand why my software gives late Taurus rising and the chart in Ms Houlding's article shows early Aries rising. Hmmmm. (??)
Irrespective of rising sign, I think the key to Eva's undoubtedly powerful personality, her early and eventual misfortunes is Sun conjunct Mars and Moon conjunct Saturn. Her very essence is heavily influenced by two powerful planets which the ancients considered "malefics". I don't see that these are merely bad influences though, both Mars and Saturn have positive sides - energy, dynamism, necessary law and authority for instance. The two powerful planets are reflected in the story of Eva Peron's life, her rise from poverty to power through nothing but her own determined efforts.
Searching further, I came across something, loosely linked to the above, on astrologer Marjorie Orr's website in a forum HERE.
Under heading "USA anti-women"(08 Jun 2008 14:22), Marjorie Orr discusses women in power. I've taken the liberty of copying an extract, but it's necessary to read the whole discussion for context.
The extract is interesting on another level - Clinton-wise! But that's another story, still to be told. I wonder if anyone will write a musical about that one, in years to come?
"What also seems relevant is Saturn Neptune. I was surprised when I did the research for my book the ''Astrological History of the World'' to find that Saturn Neptune is significant in women''s rise to greater influence - for astrological reasons I still can''t quite fathom - but it certainly was around in periods of women coming to power and workers'' demanding their rights. Perhaps Saturn Neptune''s drive in its best aspect for a fairer society - with emotional Neptune eroding the masculine (Saturn) power base. There was a Saturn Neptune conjunction when Elizabeth 1 was crowned (Taurus) and again when Elizabeth 11 was crowned (Libra); a Saturn Neptune square when Queen Victoria was crowned and a wide square when Maggie Thatcher was elected PM. Indira Gandhi became the first Indian woman PM on a Saturn Neptune trine and Benazir Bhutto became the first woman to be Pakistan''s PM on a Saturn Neptune conjunction (Capricorn).
Looking at the charts of these countries which have produced women rulers they all have strongish Saturn Neptune aspects natally. The UK 1066 has a Saturn Neptune trine; the UK 1801 has a very central Saturn Neptune square. Both the India 1877 and 1947 charts have Saturn Neptune sextiles as does Pakistan. And Argentina which produced Eva Peron has a Saturn Neptune conjunction natally. Israel also has a Saturn Neptune sextile natally and a 10th house Moon. They elected Golda Meir as PM in 1969 though not on a Sat Nep transit.
The USA does not have Saturn Neptune in aspect - and Saturn, the masculine planet, squares the Sun, trines Uranus, picks up Mars and maybe the Moon - so it is afflicted or at least very much in operation. And it''s in aspect to both Sun and Moon emphasising the Emperor quality rather than the Empress. Italy has Saturn conjunct the Moon and opposing the Sun which is the same but worse.
The 2012 next Presidential Election has a Saturn Neptune trine; 2016 a square; 2020 a sextile and the next Saturn Neptune conjunction is in 2025 just after the 2024 election. But it may just not be in the nature of the USA to have a woman at the helm".
(NOTE: Using the birth data I have, Eva Peron's Saturn/Neptune conjunction is very wide (15*) normally too wide an orb to consider, but in this case it could be relevant, I guess.)
I've read several books on her, T, a fascinating woman risen from the most abject poverty and illegitimacy - much like Sophia Loren, Lillie Langtry, etc. Of course their faces are their fortunes.
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PS Duchess of Windsor would be an interesting chart, have you done her?
Faces help, WWW - no doubt about that. Without an iron will and determination to succeed, though, a beautiful face would remain just a beautiful face. When a person has both, that's when things really happen.
ReplyDeleteNo I haven't look at the Duchess.
I assumed that she'd already have been "done" ad nauseam by the pro-astrologers. I'll look into it though. Perhaps, the pros were at it before the internet (as she is really a pre-WW2 figure). It may be worth having a try.
What a fascinating chart. I wonder if the difference in ascendants would be due to a timezone discrepancy.
ReplyDeleteYes, faces are important, but there are many beautiful people who do not achieve fortunes, and think of the number of unattractive women married to the rich!
The luck and the drive is in the chart, I believe, and the good looks are merely the icing on the cake.
Great blog - thank you!
Nina
I feel each new version of Evita is a little worse than the previous. Maybe its because of the nostalgia we feel, but more likely excellence can only be imitated, never bettered.
ReplyDeleteHello Nina - thanks for visiting, and commenting - it's good to see you.
ReplyDeleteYes, it must be something connected with timezones I suppose, or the way different software deals with them.
I agree, looks can probably help initially, but there'd be no progress without luck and drive, as you say. :-)
(Linking you !)
Hello AN - You are so right!.
ReplyDeleteI think the stage and movie versions were (for me) messed up by directors, producers, stage managers etc. all putting in their own two penniworth, while the original concept album was pure Lloyd Webber and Rice. :-)
I, too, loved the Julie Covington version of "Don't Cry For Me, Argentina." No-one has ever bettered it, in my humble opinion.
ReplyDeleteGlad we agree RJ ;-) Yes we can!!
ReplyDeleteI never understood why Julie didn't become better known.
Little is heard of her after the early eighties, though she does still do guest appearances and has had a number of 'bit' parts on British TV. Mostly, her career seems to have centered around the provincial repertory theaters. I think she shunned 'stardom' - she turned down the opportunity to play Evita in the original stage production, which of course then went to Elaine Page.
ReplyDeleteThank you for the update, RJ.
ReplyDeleteIt's refreshing to hear of someone who actually shuns stardom after watching the antics on American Idol
:-) (and that's just Simon Cowell!)