It appears that there are yet more sensitive points to be found in our natal charts - those formed by the nodes of the planets. These are calculated in the same way as the Moon's nodes, they are "points at which the orbits of the planets intersect the ecliptic, because of the inclination of their planes to the plane of the Earth's orbit." (Definition from Nicholas deVore's Encyclopedia of Astrology).
In her book "Here and There in Astrology", Ivy M. Goldstein-Jacobson says "the nodal points move not more than a degree and a half in a hundred years...... these are of value by conferring something of their own nature on the person whose planets they conjoin, thus explaining some of his special leanings to that extent.....a planet on one of these nodes at birth has that nodal vibration inborn and lasting throughout life"
There's further information about each planet's nodes from Jim D'Amato, at "Planetary Nodes" HERE. (It's necessary to forage among the adverts, but everything is there!)
The current position of planetary nodes can be found at Astrology Weekly HERE and HERE for 2006 and 2005 ( Jim D'Amato's and Ivy Goldstein-Jacobson's information is for dates around 1960).
Finding the exact position of planetary nodes at one's time of birth could be tricky, I guess. Anyway, for 1960-ish here are the rounded-off positions(North/South). For most adults these nodal positions are not likely to differ by more than a degree or so in their natal charts.
Mercury 18* Taurus/Scorpio
Venus 16* Gemini'Sagittarius
Mars 19* Taurus/Scorpio
Jupiter 10* Cancer/Capricorn
Saturn 23* Cancer/Capricorn
Uranus 13* Gemini/Sagittarius
Neptune 11* Leo/Aquarius
Pluto 20* Cancer/Capricorn
I have no planets within a degree of any of these positions, but I notice, from a quick look at the chart of my husband (HeWhoKnows), that Neptune's North node is less than 2 degrees from his ascendant. That might well contribute to the many Piscean traits I see in him, which conflict sharply with his Aries Sun !
Here's another tidbit from Nicholas deVore's Encyclopedia of Astrology:
"One authority states that a lunation or eclipse on the South Node of a planet tends to release a destructive force of the nature of the planet involved. For example, conditions centering around Saturn's South Node may indicate a drought following an unusually hard winter"
In her book "Here and There in Astrology", Ivy M. Goldstein-Jacobson says "the nodal points move not more than a degree and a half in a hundred years...... these are of value by conferring something of their own nature on the person whose planets they conjoin, thus explaining some of his special leanings to that extent.....a planet on one of these nodes at birth has that nodal vibration inborn and lasting throughout life"
There's further information about each planet's nodes from Jim D'Amato, at "Planetary Nodes" HERE. (It's necessary to forage among the adverts, but everything is there!)
The current position of planetary nodes can be found at Astrology Weekly HERE and HERE for 2006 and 2005 ( Jim D'Amato's and Ivy Goldstein-Jacobson's information is for dates around 1960).
Finding the exact position of planetary nodes at one's time of birth could be tricky, I guess. Anyway, for 1960-ish here are the rounded-off positions(North/South). For most adults these nodal positions are not likely to differ by more than a degree or so in their natal charts.
Mercury 18* Taurus/Scorpio
Venus 16* Gemini'Sagittarius
Mars 19* Taurus/Scorpio
Jupiter 10* Cancer/Capricorn
Saturn 23* Cancer/Capricorn
Uranus 13* Gemini/Sagittarius
Neptune 11* Leo/Aquarius
Pluto 20* Cancer/Capricorn
I have no planets within a degree of any of these positions, but I notice, from a quick look at the chart of my husband (HeWhoKnows), that Neptune's North node is less than 2 degrees from his ascendant. That might well contribute to the many Piscean traits I see in him, which conflict sharply with his Aries Sun !
Here's another tidbit from Nicholas deVore's Encyclopedia of Astrology:
"One authority states that a lunation or eclipse on the South Node of a planet tends to release a destructive force of the nature of the planet involved. For example, conditions centering around Saturn's South Node may indicate a drought following an unusually hard winter"
I must confess to being a skeptic where nodes are concerned. They just seem so.. fussy?
ReplyDeleteThat being said I have seen them work. I have a friend who is very keen on nodes. We used to argue astrology a lot as our "take" on the subject was quite different. She's back in South Africa and I must admit I miss our arguments. I learnt so much from them.
She had a definite gift where reading nodes was concerned.
If I had my dream it would be to find a way to pare down astrology to the essentials. A kind of "haiku" birthchart!
But then I have Mercury in Virgo and MC Virgo so I'm not keen on "frills" and fuss. ;-)
I'm unsure about how important nodes are too Michelle. At present I take the view that unless there's a planet or angle on a nodal point there's not much significance.
ReplyDeleteI agree wholeheartedly about the paring down. There's too much fluff by half for my taste. We just have to be careful not to throw out the baby with the bathwater though. :-)
"We just have to be careful not to throw out the baby with the bathwater though. :-)"
ReplyDeleteTrue. :-)
Hi and thanks for the links to astrology weekly. I noticed that the planetary nodes from 2005 to 2006 differed quite a bit. Do you know where I can find current ones?
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Ian
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Anonymous ~ No, I can't find anything more up to date on planetary nodes. There's an article by an Australian astrologer
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where the difference between Heliocentric and Geocentric nodes is explained. Another complication to add to the scene!
It's an interesting article.
All the Planetary nodes take approximately 26,000 years to circumvent the Zodiac. In my experience only the Mars and Neptune nodes are of great significance and only Mars Node has much influence outside of 1-2 degrees.
ReplyDeleteJim D'Amato
http://aaarf.net/planetnodes.htm
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Anonymous ~~ Thank you kindly for the information and for the links.
ReplyDeleteI shall investigate!
I believe that the nodes of objects are valid and significant whether planets,transneptunians,centaurs,asteroids
ReplyDeleteIn my own chart:
Sun in 5'20 Scorpio
oppose/conjunct Eris Nodes in 5'30 Taurus/Scorpio
Chart ruler Mercury in 18'21 Scorpio
oppose/conjunct Mercury Nodes in 17'59 Taurus/Scorpio
oppose/conjunct Mars Nodes in 19'20 Taurus/Scorpio
Lunar Nodes Nodes in 10'30 Aquarius/Leo
oppose Neptune Nodes in 11'28 Leo/Aquarius
Ascendant/Descendant in 13'27 Virgo/Pisces
square Uranus Nodes in 13'51 Gemini/Sagittarius
Midheaven/Imum Coeli in 11'14 Gemini/Sagittarius
sextile Neptune Nodes in 11'28 Leo/Aquarius
Dane Rudhyar wrote about Orbital Astrology and Heliocentric Planetary Nodes
http://mindfire.ca/The%20Astrology%20of%20Personality/Chapter%20Nine%2 0-%20Planetary%20Interweavings.htm
http://mindfire.ca/Person%20Centered%20Astrology/Chapter%20Eighteen%20-%20Orbital%20Astrology%20and%20the%20Nodes.htm
http://www.khaldea.com/rudhyar/aoft/aoft_c3_s7_p1.shtml
HELIOCENTRIC PLANETARY NODES
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Mercury Nodes
18'27 Taurus/Scorpio
Venus Nodes
16'46 Gemini/Sagittarius
Mars Nodes
19'38 Taurus/Scorpio
Jupiter Nodes
10'36 Cancer/Capricorn
Saturn Nodes
23'45 Cancer/Capricorn
Uranus Nodes
14'04 Gemini/Sagittarius
Neptune Nodes
11'53 Leo/Aquarius
HELIOCENTRIC DWARF PLANETARY NODES
(includes dwarf planet candidate nodes)
dwarf planet Pluto Nodes
20'28 Cancer/Capricorn
dwarf planet Eris Nodes
6'12 Taurus/Scorpio
dwarf planet Makemake Nodes
19'32 Gemini/Sagittarius
dwarf planet Haumea Nodes
2'10 Leo/Aquarius
Sedna Nodes
24'26 Leo/Aquarius
Orcus Nodes
28'43 Sagittarius/Gemini
dwarf planet Ceres Nodes
20'32 Gemini/Sagittarius
Quaoar Nodes
9'12 Libra/Aries
Varuna Nodes
7'26 Cancer/Capricorn
Ixion Nodes
11'11 Gemini/Sagittarius
Calculated with Jonathan Dunn's Ephemeral Page http://www.true-node.com/eph1/
This is Carl Payne Tobey's article on Planetary Nodes.
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"The node of Mars will show up strongly where violence and surgery is involved. In fact, we have found but one case of a hysterectomy to date where the woman did not have a planet (any planet) conjunct or square to Mars' nodes That one case had Mars conjunct the node of Saturn."
This is true for both my mom and me.
My mom and I were subjected to gun violence. My mom was shot,and I was with her at the times. She had surgery because of it. She was 20, and I was almost 3 at the time. It was 3 days before my 3rd birthday.
My mom had a hysterectomy because of cervical cancer when she was 23 years old.
In my Mom's chart:
Chart ruler Moon in 18'51 Scorpio
oppose/conjunct Mars Nodes in 19'12 Taurus/Scorpio
In my chart:
Chart ruler Mercury in 18'21 Scorpio
oppose/conjunct Mars Nodes in 19'20 Scorpio
"Planets conjunct or square the nodes of Saturn have a depressive correspondence, while planets conjunct or square the nodes of Uranus have a very restless and rebellious spirit. The functioning seems to be similar to aspects of the planets themselves but more pronounced."
I can easily say that I have a very restless and rebellious spirit
In my chart:
Ascendant/Descendant in 13'27 Virgo/Pisces
square Uranus Nodes in 13'51 Gemini/Sagittarius
btw
Robert Hand has Sun oppose/conjunct Uranus Nodes
Glaucus ~~~ Many thanks for all of the information you've presented. I feel sure that anyone drawn to this page in the future, via searches, will be very glad of it - as am I.
ReplyDeleteThank you again, for your time and trouble in posting it all.
:-)