tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post896427473572954807..comments2024-03-17T03:42:21.277-05:00Comments on LEARNING CURVE ON THE ECLIPTIC: Loyalty, Infidelity, Integrity.Twilighthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-37264799472330175322008-08-11T12:21:00.000-05:002008-08-11T12:21:00.000-05:00Oh good! Glad you see it too, AN.I was half expec...Oh good! Glad you see it too, AN.<BR/>I was half expecting someone to say "Tony Benn? That nutcase?"<BR/>(Which has often been the response when I've mentioned his name in conversation).<BR/><BR/>Whether one agrees with his political leanings or not, it would be hard to fault him on his integrity. As you say, a diamond.<BR/>Would that there were more of his ilk.Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-83830341458750981032008-08-11T10:38:00.000-05:002008-08-11T10:38:00.000-05:00I must comment on your comment about Tony Benn. I ...I must comment on your comment about Tony Benn. I don't think he has had a single policy that I would support. But on saying this, he is the only politician in my political memory who I would trust.<BR/> That man is as straight and uncorruptable as they come. An absolute diamond.anthonynorthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06680944720744601697noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-16456915477874503852008-08-11T09:24:00.000-05:002008-08-11T09:24:00.000-05:00Hi AN ~~~ Yes, this is true. There must be a kink...Hi AN ~~~ Yes, this is true. There must be a kink in the personality of leading politicians. That hankering after power, which is, after all what drives them beyond simply serving their community in smaller ways, must also have the side-effect you mention - a continuing need to live on the edge. I'd thought that it could be a continuing need for control, not just of the country, but of individuals, but that doesn't really work because in the end the tables are turned and it's the other party who gains control - sells their story to the press, or it leaks out, and poooof - one career ruined, so who had control?<BR/><BR/>Infidelity happens in all walks of life, but in this particular area, of high politics, it is especially interesting. The very people in whom we put our trust are, it seems, some of the most likely to be disloyal - the last kind of flaw needed in their positions. Sigh. I'm feeling very disillusioned now. ;-(Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-86223879347947330292008-08-11T09:14:00.000-05:002008-08-11T09:14:00.000-05:00WWW ~~~~ your first comment was clear, but I man...WWW ~~~~ your first comment was clear, but I managed to waffle in response...lol! <BR/><BR/>Yes, in a way infidelities can be seen as a perk of the job, as you say. It's a similar situation to when The Lord of the Manor, in centuries past had his pick of the serving wenches whenever the urge took him - often by all accounts!<BR/>UGH!!!! That thought pains my socialist soul no end.<BR/><BR/>There are so many examples of the<BR/>baddies in this respect, some surprising one such as John Major,<BR/>there surely have been some good boys too. I'm not well enough informed to know who they are/were.<BR/><BR/>If someone tells me Dennis Kucinich cheated on his wife, I think I'll lose all faith! And my all-time hero in Britian, Tony Benn - never, never, never! :-)Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-69640382213100687832008-08-11T03:50:00.000-05:002008-08-11T03:50:00.000-05:00Often it is the lying that is the end of a marriag...Often it is the lying that is the end of a marriage rather than the infidelity, I think.<BR/> As to the general level of infidelity among politicians, etc, I feel it is often the desire to live on the edge that leads them to politics. If so, can this desire be kept in just one area of life? <BR/> I don't think so. <BR/> I keep remembering John Major, the most boring politician of the age, always getting himself into difficulties - and his four year affair with Edwina Currie.<BR/> Masochism in all walks of life ;-)anthonynorthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06680944720744601697noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-31632515575961178992008-08-10T21:35:00.000-05:002008-08-10T21:35:00.000-05:00Maybe I wasn't clear on what I was trying to s...Maybe I wasn't clear on what I was trying to say, T.<BR/>Men in power of all stripes have always had affairs, it appears to be part of the perks.<BR/>Very few have been exposed. And when they are,(Ken Starr & Clinton) the ravening frenzy of media hypocrisy takes over while they turn a blind eye to the peccadilloes of the others in power, Eisenhower, John Major, the Kennedys, Roosevelt, etc. to add a few more. I have always been puzzled by this and wonder about the back scratching between politicians and the press.<BR/>XO<BR/>WWW<BR/>PS And I've seen some rather nasty pics of Edwards which show a completely different kind of hee-haw side to the man than what his previous persona appeared to be.Wisewebwomanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15281689872840844191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-18437030036830588422008-08-10T13:09:00.000-05:002008-08-10T13:09:00.000-05:00WWW~~~ This is such a complex subject. I deleted a...WWW~~~ This is such a complex subject. I deleted a paragraph in my post where I'd said I felt as though I was skating rather badly over thin ice beneath which lay fathoms of stinky murky stuff.<BR/><BR/>It's hard not to be judgmental of those in public life when things like the Edwards affair arise. We ought not to be, but on the other hand, if they rise to great power, they have potential to be subject to blackmail, as well as further scandals, which do the country's reputation no good at all.<BR/><BR/>Politicians (of either sex) know that they skate on thin ice if they engage in affairs - one would expect them to be aware of it 24/7, but many seem to ignore the fact. I suspect that their vision of their own powerfulness blinds them to the dangers.Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-13695548060200293882008-08-10T12:43:00.000-05:002008-08-10T12:43:00.000-05:00"The reasoning of a woman", you say, condemnation ...<I>"The reasoning of a woman"</I>, you say, condemnation aimed squarely on Edwards? Not here.<BR/><BR/>No, no, RJ. I was trying to approach this from a wider angle with a broad brush - the issue of loyalty, rather than speaking about an individual case, which as it happens is currently in the news, and happens to be a good example, astrologically.<BR/><BR/>You say these liaisons occur constantly. Maybe so, but not among those with loyalty etched deep into their psyche I'd wager!<BR/><BR/>France does not impress me much, whatever they whisper about.<BR/><BR/>The Edwards affair is indeed a sad matter, but he is a public figure, discussion is inevitable.<BR/><BR/>Hormones schmormones! If everyone is led by hormones alone the rest of our grey matter turns out to be superfluous then?<BR/><BR/>LOL! Your earlier comment (to the 1066 /Good President thing) arrived first, in an e-mail alert. I glanced at it quickly assuming it referred to this post - LOL! Read it again! It had me spluttering into my morning coffee. ;-)Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-86072930337633400762008-08-10T12:11:00.000-05:002008-08-10T12:11:00.000-05:00T:I think it all boils down to respect, T. Did he ...T:<BR/>I think it all boils down to respect, T. Did he respect his wife? Not to judge anyone else (for Maude knows I've succumbed to temptation myself)but it appears not. I bring this up because of her cancer.<BR/>Would he respect the electorate? Hard to say.<BR/>It takes 2 to tango for sure. And wily, wilful paramours capitalize on their sexual prowess.<BR/>He succumbed to his primeval desires.<BR/>What drives me consistently MAD in all of this hypocritcal posturing is the fact that most of these affairs never come to light. I am reminded of Bush-the-Brighter and his long term mistress. Winston Churchill too, etc.<BR/>XO<BR/>WWWWisewebwomanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15281689872840844191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-88105658697976235082008-08-10T12:00:00.000-05:002008-08-10T12:00:00.000-05:00Ah, the reasoning of a woman! It tickles me how th...Ah, the reasoning of a woman! It tickles me how the focus of condemnation is aimed squarely on Edwards. No-one points accusingly at the woman who (maybe) enticed him to her bed.<BR/>The truth is these liaisons occur constantly, particularly when men and women are away from their home environment for prolonged periods and thrown together in unusual intimacy. In France it would scarcely raise a whisper. In the great moralistic hypocrite that is America, the media blossoms into yet another cracked and tuneless aria.<BR/>This is a sad matter to be worked out between Mr and Mrs. None of the rest of us should be involved. I believe it has more to do with hormones than character defects.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com