tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post7153466489843782411..comments2024-03-17T03:42:21.277-05:00Comments on LEARNING CURVE ON THE ECLIPTIC: Ruling PrinciplesTwilighthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-19859350224756671872014-05-14T14:03:55.861-05:002014-05-14T14:03:55.861-05:00mike ~ I came to the conclusion quite early on tha...mike ~ I came to the conclusion quite early on that astrology's greatest strength and consistency is not in accurate prediction, but in <br />determining personality traits. Even then it's fallible due to the factors other than astrology involved: general background, family heredity and situation, and education, for starters.<br /><br />In predicting for an individual, along with those factors mentioned, as you pointed out there's also free will to consider. <br /><br />Other than in the broadest possible sense (e.g. expecting a period of general change without exact specifications), I think anything further has potential to cause more trouble than it's worth. Putting ideas into a person's mind....don't like it. Self-fulfilling prophecies can happen, and not always in a beneficial way.<br /><br />Forecasting though, for sport, financial matters etc. as against individual prediction....I wouldn't have great confidence in astrological forecasting as things stand now. Maybe with high level tech introduced along the lines you suggest....but somehow I feel uncomfortable about that suggestion. Can't quite put into words why. <br /><br />Our own lengthening experience is valuable, and likely to improve our understanding of astrology as years progress, agreed, but computerised experiences forced into a program become synthetic, unnatural - out of place. It might work, but it might work to our detriment - down the line a ways.Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-70493329913200687632014-05-14T13:02:39.970-05:002014-05-14T13:02:39.970-05:00The many variables in astrology with the almost in...The many variables in astrology with the almost infinite combinations made from those variables is where things become fuzzy! This was a topic on another website recently and I stated that an individual's free will can add another layer of difficulty. However, astrology of the masses, nations, economies, etc., is easier, because the individual free will is muted or dampened.<br /><br />I compared it to meteorology, which is a science, but not an exact science. Weather forecasting is becoming more accurate with super-computers able to model vast amounts of historic and current data. Same applies to economic forecasting. Video gaming modeling technology has found its way into many forecasting arenas, such as weather and finances. It uses historic and real-time data to constantly update an extant prediction that can change depending on the current inputs. I think this approach has tremendous potential for astrological applications. An individual's natal chart, with data about that individual's history to determine how transits-progressions affected that chart (person) historically, with current, real-time data input could be used to vastly increase correct outcomes.<br /><br />Bruce Bueno de Mesquita was one of the first to utilize gaming technology for other purposes:<br />http://www.predictioneersgame.com/<br /><br />I think that I've become a better amateur astrologer over the years, because I have more experience and I've found "things" that work for me. I've added more to my repertoire and discounted other items amongst my astrological selections. I can perform the basics and provide a personality interpretation that would align itself reasonably to other astrologers' interpretations. So, I do think the fundamentals of astrology are uniform. Forecasting is another matter.mike (again)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-78855526734273364722014-05-14T11:46:42.328-05:002014-05-14T11:46:42.328-05:00mike (again) ~ Yes - and so why can astrology do ...mike (again) ~ Yes - and so why can astrology do this? That is the big question, regarding astrology itself - not the astrologer. <br /><br />Astrology exists as a doctrine of sorts, available for anyone to learn, to teach themselves in fact. Skilled and intuitive practitioners will be able to put findings into words which might resonate better with a client or reader - no argument on that - but the basics still rely on those ancient principles or planet placement, cycles, etc. Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-30593839377236178362014-05-14T11:35:24.069-05:002014-05-14T11:35:24.069-05:00mike ~ Some people do appear to have more intuitiv...mike ~ Some people do appear to have more intuitive, or psychic if you like, ability. Whether this helps in astrology I won't attempt to guess. Such people probably wouldn't need astrology to assist others if they were so gifted in that respect though.<br /><br />If astrology works at all it must work for anybody - anyone at all, no psychic or intuitive abilities needed - anybody who cared to spend some time learning basic principles. As long as we remain within the basics it really can work at basic level in anyone's hands. That's the part of it that interests and fascinates me - the "why" or "how" of it all.<br /><br />As to how and why such things as dowsing work - I'm not as keen to find out, for some reason, because there are no "principles" involved.<br />The person doing the dowsing is the key. <br /><br />I've had similar experiences to the one you mention regarding predictions made for me by someone using either deck of cards or palmistry - one was given to my mother about me, which came true after more than 50 years! Again - it's all within the person doing the predicting, not due to a set of "principles".<br /><br />I'll keep an open mind about what we can and cannot do with our minds.<br />There's lots there that's still mysterious, remains to be discovered. (Thanks for the link).<br />I believe I shall remain skeptical that human minds could have made astrology work even so.Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-30698637913505273292014-05-14T10:58:59.930-05:002014-05-14T10:58:59.930-05:00P.S. - I believe that each individual has at least...P.S. - I believe that each individual has at least one unique ability passion, or gift in the mundane world. Most know what would make them happiest and in-tune with themselves, but many ignore the call. Astrology can assist the identification of these areas, whether generally or specifically, should the person have no clue. Virtually all possible "vocations" that would allow a person to align with their innate talent have some form of creativity involved and-or service to others...a natural-born astrologer utilizes both.mike (again)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-14482526741749449482014-05-14T10:23:45.770-05:002014-05-14T10:23:45.770-05:00As we've discussed in previous posts, reasonab...As we've discussed in previous posts, reasonable correlations can be made utilizing the tools of astrology, given the expertise of the astrologer. Some astrologers seem unusually talented at situational characterization (personality, world events, horary) and-or prediction. Are they psychic or did they study astrology to the extreme? Do they eat, breathe, and dream astrology? I'm very interested in astrology, but it has never been my passion...perhaps I get what I give.<br /><br />I do think that there are individuals that have a unique sensitivity toward intuitive or psychic perception and have developed their own methods or tools to access their sensitivities. Dowsing for water (or anything) is an example and has been used for eons. Not all people can dowse, but those that do claim it is very easy for them. It's a form of prediction and can be assessed for accuracy immediately. Dowsers advertised their services as guaranteed to find water or no payment. Water dowsers found water in the most unexpected places and even sensed how much water would flow from these spots based on the rod's intensity of vibration.<br /><br />I had a psychic reading performed by a lady using a standard deck of playing cards many years ago. She was outstanding in characterizing me, but even more so with her predictions, which seemed outlandish at the time of the reading, but were completely accurate. I previously described to you my experiences at a Lakota yuwipe ceremony, which went way beyond my earthly understanding. My mother had psychic tendencies that defied odds.<br /><br />We live in a strange world, Twilight! I suspect that as humans become more synthetic or out-of-tune with nature, we lose our abilities to intuit and divine. There have been a number of experimental results indicating humans can and do influence outcomes.<br /><br />"The Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research (PEAR) program, which flourished for nearly three decades under the aegis of Princeton University’s School of Engineering and Applied Science, has completed its experimental agenda of studying the interaction of human consciousness with sensitive physical devices, systems, and processes, and developing complementary theoretical models to enable better understanding of the role of consciousness in the establishment of physical reality."<br /><br />http://www.princeton.edu/~pear/experiments.htmlmikenoreply@blogger.com