tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post5685255834614651137..comments2024-03-17T03:42:21.277-05:00Comments on LEARNING CURVE ON THE ECLIPTIC: Arty Farty Friday ~ Carole Bayer Sager's Other Talent Twilighthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-85934235650444203202016-03-05T00:12:58.882-06:002016-03-05T00:12:58.882-06:00LB ~ I was trying not to have a disagreement with ...LB ~ I was trying not to have a disagreement with you, and to make some reasonably inoffensive comment about the artwork which would not contrast too much with your observations, but it seems I have failed. It's probably best if I do not respond to your comments in future. If you think that badly of me, then that'd be the best way to proceed.<br /><br /><b>Comments closed on this post.</b> Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-2659993147372408552016-03-04T23:55:24.420-06:002016-03-04T23:55:24.420-06:00LB ~ Dang! Of course I didn't!LB ~ Dang! Of course I didn't!Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-43663108545275312112016-03-04T21:05:28.495-06:002016-03-04T21:05:28.495-06:00Twilight ~ I hope I misunderstood the point you we...Twilight ~ I hope I misunderstood the point you were trying to make about the different kinds of "bad". I'm guessing you didn't mean to compare the suffering of Third World children who are beaten, starved, enslaved with wealthy art patrons who have a choice about whether or not to consume foods high in fat and carbohydrates. <br /><br />I'm going to assume you meant something else and leave it at that.:)<br /><br />*****<br /><br />mike ~ It seems Bayer-Sager loves the goodies she paints (as a lot of us do) but tries not to indulge for health reasons ~ unrelated to any ethical issues or concerns. Like I said earlier (and to be fair), I doubt she's fully informed.LBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-80400092403175758452016-03-04T19:34:12.118-06:002016-03-04T19:34:12.118-06:00Here's an actual quote:
"Sager spoke wit...Here's an actual quote:<br /><br />"Sager spoke with The Hollywood Reporter at the beginning of the reception and shared a few details about the inspiration behind her favorite painting subject: food.<br /><br />'I didn’t realize until after I had painted about five food paintings that it was the area for me, because as a young child I was chubby and my mother and I had issues about it. So food was a major thing; dieting, eating too much. And there was something about painting it and abstracting it that I find very enjoyable — to play with the paint and the subject.'“<br />http://www.carolebayersagerart.com/2014/10/hollywood-reporter-on-caroles-new-works-show/mike (again)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-32726814383930127422016-03-04T19:20:00.943-06:002016-03-04T19:20:00.943-06:00"During my visit Sager also reveals that thes..."During my visit Sager also reveals that these were the kinds of food forbidden to her when growing up - she was plump and much criticized for it by her mother. So now she gets to indulge a little! (Calorie-free, of course...)"<br />http://www.huffingtonpost.com/scarlet-cheng/carole-bayer-sager_b_2357145.html<br /><br />mike (again)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-15396040951892608132016-03-04T17:32:21.037-06:002016-03-04T17:32:21.037-06:00LB ~ Because all her food-ish paintings portray t...LB ~ Because all her food-ish paintings portray things that are bad-ish for us health-wise I guess it's possible to see them, as a group, as a kind of "get thee behind me Satan" temptation. Looking at it that way the "Kisses" pics could be just one part of the general warning. I notice there is one pic with them unwrapped as well as the one with 2 in silver wrappers. <br /><br />Perhaps I'm being too kind, but... <br /><br />Melted cheese sandwich is lip-smacking, mouth-watering and her painting of one is tempting, but that yummy devil is high on fat and carbohydrates. Its badness is bad in a different way from the "Kisses", still bad though. Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-37669630694003151552016-03-04T15:49:09.586-06:002016-03-04T15:49:09.586-06:00Twilight ~ I guess it's possible she knew and ...Twilight ~ I guess it's possible she knew and created the Kisses pieces anyway, without considering the product's connection to child-slavery and how they might be seen as product endorsements. Or maybe she's in denial (or unaware of the details) which would be the shadow side of Pisces' compassion.<br /><br />Some of her luscious depictions (of food and nutritionally-deficient junk food) could be used as advertisements. Wonder how many people leave her art shows determined to satisfy their cravings by buying the real thing, like a piece of slave-chocolate?<br /><br />Some of the images got to me, which is why I'm making myself a melted cheese sandwich for lunch.:)LBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-63706104231411556792016-03-04T14:37:55.669-06:002016-03-04T14:37:55.669-06:00LB ~ That is unfortunate. I wonder if she saw the...LB ~ That is unfortunate. I wonder if she saw the "Kisses" just as "still life" shapes to be painted, without other association, other than being edible, as is content of all her other food-ish paintings. The best part of the other food-ish pieces, I think, is the texture and ...succulence she manages to portray; but in the "Kisses" pic that doesn't apply - so let's say it's not one of her better ideas. ;-) Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-37861188109980096962016-03-04T14:10:09.352-06:002016-03-04T14:10:09.352-06:00Twilight ~ Like mike, I'm surprised too. You ...Twilight ~ Like mike, I'm surprised too. You just never know. Her technical skills as an artist are undeniable. Some of her portraits are amazing.<br /><br />*Unfortunately* when I went to Carol Sager's site and clicked on the "artwork" link, the first piece that showed up *appeared* to be a 'representation' of 2 Hershey Kisses, a brand of chocolate associated with child-slavery and human trafficking! <br /><br />In fact, I just read something about a 2015 lawsuit filed against Hershey, Mars and Nestle alleging their failure to disclose to consumers the use of child-slavery:<br /><br />http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/09/30/lawsuit-your-candy-bar-was-made-by-child-slaves.html<br /><br />Maybe she isn't aware, though it's interesting her husband served as Chairman of the charitable organization, "Save The Children" for 5 years.LBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-6353218972583272662016-03-04T13:14:40.990-06:002016-03-04T13:14:40.990-06:00mike ~ Yes, was a surprise to me too. I like the...mike ~ Yes, was a surprise to me too. I like the food paintings, a good idea very well thought out, skillfully painted - they're likely to be even more impressive seen hanging in a gallery.<br /><br />Agreed - the Saturn input is reflected in the realism in her artwork; and the Mercury/Sun conjunction yes! I'd thought about that Yod, but didn't feel that Pluto had much relevance in relation to her artwork - perhaps more in relation to her song writing though. :-)Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-21069104124593944752016-03-04T09:14:03.627-06:002016-03-04T09:14:03.627-06:00Who knew?...not me, anyway. Most individuals know...Who knew?...not me, anyway. Most individuals known for one profession, but dallying in painting and-or sculpture typically disappoint me, as it seems they are riding on their fame, eg X-POTUS Bush Jr turned oil painter. I'm impressed with Sager's paintings. I prefer the realism of her food series, but I'm struck by her ability in portraiture and abstract, too.<br /><br />You mention her Venus-Neptune (Moon?) trine (and Venus rules her Moon & Neptune). I'd add that Venus opposed Saturn may provide a source of perfection and realism to her work (a positive use of this opposition!). Sager said in the video that it was all about communication...her combust-Mercury conj Sun (both square Uranus) form a loose yod with Neptune (& Moon?) sextile Pluto, highlighting her need to express herself artistically, with either the pen or brush...the Mercury-Sun ruled by Neptune.mikenoreply@blogger.com