tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post454559203047405133..comments2024-03-17T03:42:21.277-05:00Comments on LEARNING CURVE ON THE ECLIPTIC: TO HAVE OR NOT TO HAVE CHILDRENTwilighthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-55999662774617436452010-09-10T04:08:55.919-05:002010-09-10T04:08:55.919-05:00Hi Candela,
Moon in the fifth house in my sense, e...Hi Candela,<br />Moon in the fifth house in my sense, even if in Capricorn, indicates children. Even many. If Moon receives hard aspects however, it might be difficult. What you say about maturity and Capricorn sounds right, so "keep going". Best wishes GPGian Paulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-34469041590166248912010-09-09T16:45:18.948-05:002010-09-09T16:45:18.948-05:00With Moon in the 5th, it's probably a small mi...With Moon in the 5th, it's probably a small miracle I still don't have any children turning 34 in a couple of weeks. The Moon is in Capricorn, though, so that might just mean I've meant to gain certain maturity before having children.Candelanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-39758163617944961382010-09-08T03:49:46.414-05:002010-09-08T03:49:46.414-05:00The "Fly..." is much better than that: i...The "Fly..." is much better than that: it's hopefully stimulating more research into this and other phenomena. As I would also say to SHANTHI, my observation about house 5 is only one, but not a minor set of probabilities. <br /><br />There are certainly others and possibly more precise ones. The challenge to find them is there. It's a wide open field. Also the question of sexes, twins to be born or when. Imagine the "planned arrival of a child", at the astrologically desired "favorable moment"...Gian Paulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-8233598902732344802010-09-08T03:16:58.700-05:002010-09-08T03:16:58.700-05:00Hi Shanthi, I suspected that the Hindus may have a...Hi Shanthi, I suspected that the Hindus may have another approach to this question of children being indicated or not in a birth map. Your explanation is very helpful, indeed.<br /><br />That Jupiter is a "significator" or "amplifier" of procreation makes sense too, Zeus as his name was at the time of classical Greece, enjoyed mightily to surprise the ladies on earth, when they were young and pretty!Gian Paulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-16217595206788951942010-09-08T01:08:45.262-05:002010-09-08T01:08:45.262-05:00In Vedic astrology,its Mars that rules the actual ...In Vedic astrology,its Mars that rules the actual mensuration,even though it follows the 28-day cycle of the Moon.Mars is a fiery planet ruling blood and hence its placement in the 5th or close association with the 5th lord can cause miscarriage.And I used the word'generally'because one needs to check if there is a beneficial influence of Jupiter on Mars.Jupiter is a natural signifactor for children among other things.One can say the interplay of various factors have to be studied before coming to any conclusions.Thats what makes astrology so interesting and also tough to master !Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10222468591626032235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-46136744144617513872010-09-07T16:16:43.682-05:002010-09-07T16:16:43.682-05:00Gian Paul ~~~ Just a stray thought...One "fly...Gian Paul ~~~ Just a stray thought...One "fly in the ointment" is that so many people, especially of the older generations are not aware of an accurate time, or sometimes even time of day, when they were born.<br />This is partcularly so in the UK where times of birth are not routinely recorded, as they have been in the USA for quite some time.<br /><br />Without a time of birth 5th house position can't be established. <br />I wonder if there's any other indication available that doesn't rely on time of birth? <br /><br />How about Moon (mother) and Cancer (nurturing)positions and whether they have positive aspects from oher planets - or not. Or something in relation to Leo, as it is connected to 5th house ? <br /><br />I learned (though it's a while ago so I might be wrong) that just about any interpretation needs to have an "echo" elsewhere in the chart- some astrologers even say there needs to be 3 indications of a prediction or definite interpretation.<br /><br />Any thoughts?Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-82136796078381509392010-09-07T16:00:23.701-05:002010-09-07T16:00:23.701-05:00Hi Rossa, very obliged for the results of your per...Hi Rossa, very obliged for the results of your personal investigation. Overall, my findings appear confirmed. Should not forget that in a couple there are 2 and in the case of your grand-father, even if he had no planet in his house 5, possibly that was not the case for your grand-mother to whom he was married. And then there are the exceptions.<br /><br />Even that ex of Brad Pitt (Aniston) saying that she does not need a man to have children. So no 5th house required neither. See what comes out of that...Gian Paulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-35248465801679379402010-09-07T15:00:33.111-05:002010-09-07T15:00:33.111-05:00Forgot to say my grandfather also does not have an...Forgot to say my grandfather also does not have any planets in 5th house and they still had 5 children.<br /><br />My father has Uranus in his 5th house.<br /><br />Mmmm!Rossahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06121831076599069841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-32120272269717953532010-09-07T14:57:47.750-05:002010-09-07T14:57:47.750-05:00That is amazing GP. No planets in my 5th house, no...That is amazing GP. No planets in my 5th house, no children.<br /><br />No planets in my mother's 5th house though it has her North Node and despite having 2 children and 3 pregnancies never wanted children.<br /><br />Her sister (my Aunt) also no planets, always wanted children, never had them.<br /><br />Their mother (my grandmother) no planets in 5th house, had 5 children and didn't want any of them apart from maybe the middle one the only one to go to University and sadly died 13 years ago of breast cancer.<br /><br />It has been interesting to see the theme play out in our natal charts. Thank you for your insight. Always did wonder if there was some correlation.Rossahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06121831076599069841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-5837271693297875652010-09-07T14:25:09.882-05:002010-09-07T14:25:09.882-05:00Twilight, you mention having been married, with no...Twilight, you mention having been married, with no children. So was I, for 28 years and as my ex and I both liked to travel, having no children was not "uncomfortable". <br /><br />This may sound like an egoistical way of thinking, but hasn't the modern world brought about just these possibilities? And maybe we are both pioneers in a way. <br /><br />There is an otherwise nice guy not far from where I am here, a bit south of São Paulo. He has 19 children, and he is not a farmer. When I say "otherwise nice" it's that he visibly takes little care of his kids. No need to enter into details, but given that he is not poor, one can wonder...Gian Paulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-90928847399287693912010-09-07T13:50:57.812-05:002010-09-07T13:50:57.812-05:00ASTROLOGY UNBOXED- Hi Fabienne, if your rich indic...ASTROLOGY UNBOXED- Hi Fabienne, if your rich indications are right (I have no doubts about that, only they appear quite complex - and numerous to experiment with or to corroborate), one might think that for a woman to have children, she might be well advised to consult with you or to get involved in studing astrology before getting too close to "her man"...Gian Paulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-64834996055285138292010-09-07T13:38:30.724-05:002010-09-07T13:38:30.724-05:00I think traditional astrology has a lot to offer a...I think traditional astrology has a lot to offer as far as this topic is concerned.<br />Traditional astrologers divided the signs in fruitful, semi-fruitful and barren signs:<br />•fruitful (fertile) signs are: Cancer, Scorpio, Pisces<br />•semi-fruitful (semi-fertile) signs are: Libra, Taurus, Capricorn<br />•barren signs are: Aries, Gemini, Leo, Virgo, Sagittarius, Aquarius<br />Beside the division of the signs, the planets have their own division in fruitful, semi-fruitful and barren planets too, just as follows:<br />•fruitful (fertile) planets are: Moon, Venus, Jupiter, (Moon's) North Node, Neptune<br />•semi-fruitful (semi-fertile) planets are: Mercury (Uranus?)<br />•barren planets are: Sun, Mars, Saturn, Uranus (?), (Moon's) South Node<br />In fertility charts, fruitful planets in fruitful signs presage fertility and children. Barren planets in barren signs may denote infertility.<br />When looking at all the planetary positions in the signs in the woman's natal chart, one has a very general (and not infallible!) idea on the total (in)fertility of that woman.<br />When the Sun, Moon, Venus, Jupiter, the sign on the Ascendant and the sign on the 5th house cusp are in barren signs, there definitely is a possibility of lesser fertility or even infertility. This can be offset when transiting Jupiter travels through the 2nd, 4th, 5th, 7th or 8th house and aspects the mentioned planets.<br />According to the Encyclopedia of Psychological Astrology by Charles E.O. Carter, the Sun afflicted by Saturn often shows "sterility" in a female's natal chart. Miscarriages seem to result from a Sun-Uranus affliction as well as an affliction from Uranus to the 5th house (cusp). <br /><br />Personally, I have Uranus in Leo very close to the cusp of the 5th houseAstrology Unboxedhttp://astrologyunboxed.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-64809938586581727582010-09-07T13:19:25.511-05:002010-09-07T13:19:25.511-05:00Gian Paul ~~~ I'm a non-maternal type who has ...Gian Paul ~~~ I'm a non-maternal type who has never once in her life wished that she'd had a child.<br />I've often wished for a sibling, but never an offspring. <br /><br />My fifth house (if rectified time of birth is more or less correct) has Mars and North node of Moon in Scorpio there, though Libra is on 4/5 house cusp. That could possibly connect in part to what Shanthi has written. <br /><br />But there are other, more commonplace life-experience reasons for my feelings....which Mars and NN might also signify - who knows!? <br /><br />My mother almost died when I was born and she could bear no more children: one reason perhaps for what could be a learned fear of childbirth? Although I wasn't consciously afraid of it - simply didn't feel the "want" of children.Perhaps this was moreso because a first marriage in my early 20s was disastrous. <br /><br />Nothing later changed my mind, in fact what happened later underlined that it was wise to have remained, and to continue remaining childless - confirming my early intuitive feelings.Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-45750704464546380662010-09-07T11:17:04.450-05:002010-09-07T11:17:04.450-05:00Hi Shanhti, now we are getting scientific: you are...Hi Shanhti, now we are getting scientific: you are most probably right. The ruler of the house, sign in which the fifth house cusp is, etc. play a role. And good/bad aspects, the nature of the planets. Interesting what you say about Mars and miscarriages. <br /><br />As you say "generally", could you please amplify. Some readers may thereby be helped. Thanks.Gian Paulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-69983957246264990472010-09-07T10:13:35.123-05:002010-09-07T10:13:35.123-05:00I think the ruler of the 5th house,its placement w...I think the ruler of the 5th house,its placement whether its a malefic and other maleific aspects to it, are also to be considered and not just the planets or absence of planets in the 5th house.In my experience, natural malefics like North Node,Mars either in 5th or aspecting/conjuncting 5th lord gives rise to delay in concieving a child.Mars generally causes miscarriages.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10222468591626032235noreply@blogger.com