tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post3899702912713816055..comments2024-03-17T03:42:21.277-05:00Comments on LEARNING CURVE ON THE ECLIPTIC: A Lapsed Astrologer ~ Rudolf SmitTwilighthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-18293805573349848122011-02-20T15:51:44.441-06:002011-02-20T15:51:44.441-06:00nexus7 ~~~ Hi again!
I tinker around with my taro...nexus7 ~~~ Hi again!<br /><br />I tinker around with my tarot deck occasionally - not sure why. as experiment to see whether/how often it works, I guess.<br />:-)<br /><br />I cannot stomach anything connected to Madam Blavatsky and theosophy. I like to look on astrology's main strength to be in indicating personality and potential - not for prediction, except in a very, very broad sense.....that someone with a certain natal configuration or transit to it might be inclined to do such and such or go in a certain direction. No more than that. <br /><br />I'm convinced that "something IS happening" in astrology, but we don't know what it is - and it's either not as much as astrologers think it is - or else it's a great deal more. I doubt I'll live long enough to find the answer to that one. ;-)<br /><br />Thanks again for your input.Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-76292661468307548502011-02-20T12:01:29.597-06:002011-02-20T12:01:29.597-06:00Hello there Twilight.
I used to do psychic fairs,...Hello there Twilight.<br /><br />I used to do psychic fairs, where I sed Tarot too. Interestingly, the philosophy there was that book learning was frowned upon as rather inferior to cxlairvoyance: 'Spirit is all you need.'<br /><br />In this contect, astrology, along with all other forms of divination, were just means to an end.<br /><br />However, I do happen to suspoect that astrology isn't just a means to clairvoance, though I know that writers like Curry and Cornelius make this hypothethesis sound seductive.<br /><br />There is a 'science' of saorts to it, though Tarnas makes it clear that there is a bit of a partivcle-wave issue to the whole 'objectivity' question where he discusses synchronicity.<br /><br />I enjoyed working with the public on charts actually, maybe I will go back to it again, it is actually astrologers.<br /><br />However, things are changing, and there now seem to be more kinds of astrology around being practised, and a more post-modern, critical approach being adopted, since it found its way through the front door of one or two universities (I got my own course kicked out of the Open Studies uni I taught, my syllabus sent to Eysenck - that was in the early 90's. <br /><br />When I first encountered astrology and astrologers, almost all the astrologers I met were influenced by Bailey/Balvatsky, and it was these especially I could not get on with).<br /><br />It couldhave been the lack of water in Smid's case, but then he did have a prominent Moon to make up for that. It 'has' to be that very angular Saturn, I am sure.nexus7https://www.blogger.com/profile/11166334978712455419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-2062336251149532752011-02-19T08:42:54.470-06:002011-02-19T08:42:54.470-06:00nexus7 ~~~ Hi there!
Thank you for adding your th...nexus7 ~~~ Hi there!<br />Thank you for adding your thoughts here. It's interesting to hear from others who have "lapsed" from earlier certainty on astrology. Although, from what you've written, you haven't lapsed completely, maybe just from actual practice of astrology.<br /><br />I too object to the dogma, but continue to "believe" on my own terms. Not being a professional astrologer nor part of any organisation, that's okay in my case. I'd not last long in an organisation, even if they'd have me (which they wouldn't). ;-)<br /><br />Thanks for the suggestion - I'll take a look at Gauquelin's chart and compare it with Smit's. Maybe compose a new post on the topic.<br /><br />The Fire in Smit's chart is interesting, yet I think the lack of Water might be the real culprit. A lot of Earth could still accept astrology as long as some Watery balance was present. Cancer rising maybe? - I think that ascendant + Jupiter in Pisces saves me from a serious lapse. :-)Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-38900177614613195902011-02-19T04:58:07.381-06:002011-02-19T04:58:07.381-06:00So that is Smit's chart?
Why not compare it ...So that is Smit's chart? <br /><br />Why not compare it with Gauquelin's . who in fact, I hear, was strongly Jupiterian, but took the Saturnian pathe of looking for 'objective' proofs - he committed suicide. <br /><br />Well yes, there s the Earth factor, thouigh he was Fiery too with the Moon and Ascendant in Leo. <br /><br />The Moon in the 12th there, and I do think there is merit in Gauquelin's research, seems to be in a moderately strong Gauquelin position - he must have had a superb bedside manner with his clients and probably did have the knack for making his clients feel 'special' and unique - the Leonine knack for seeing the potential in people - and this knack may have been what made him a good counsellor, who jst 'happened' to se astrology, and maybe, in fact, relied more on this than astrology itself.<br /><br />The Saturn factor may be a theme of experiencing a major disappointment or sense of disillusionment, many times previously, like a 6-year-old being told thast Santa did not exist. The tension between that romantic Leo and the Saturn/Capricorn 'time to put childish things away' theme. <br /><br />In fact, Saturn and Uranus make excellent astrologers normally. <br /><br />But the 'science' thing may come from somewhere as blinkered as the one that replaces the 'romantic' or 'enchanted' view.<br /><br />I am a lapsed astrologer too. But for very different reasons. I did not get on with the dogmatism that is maybe an inevitable component of any predominantly neo-platonic system of thought.nexus7https://www.blogger.com/profile/11166334978712455419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-37267557529456277732011-02-07T16:32:15.451-06:002011-02-07T16:32:15.451-06:00Anonymous ~~~ Oh dear! :-(
I do understand though...Anonymous ~~~ Oh dear! :-(<br />I do understand though.<br />The path might become less slippy as one reaches the lower levels - the air is not so thin here, and there's more to see. ;-)Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-19772048535449129052011-02-07T10:45:09.577-06:002011-02-07T10:45:09.577-06:00I understand Smit's journey. I'm on that s...I understand Smit's journey. I'm on that slippery path myself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-49242399831045314722011-02-05T08:43:27.073-06:002011-02-05T08:43:27.073-06:00Astrology Unboxed (Fabienne)~~
What you describe i...Astrology Unboxed (Fabienne)~~<br />What you describe is a gift far more rare than the ability to interpret an astrological chart!<br />When allied to interpretation of a chart though - something very special will occur.<br />:-)Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-82380708369998919512011-02-04T12:14:53.159-06:002011-02-04T12:14:53.159-06:00Hi Twilight:
I like the adventure part of you com...Hi Twilight:<br /><br />I like the adventure part of you comment. <br />As for the first part of your comment,I am not sure how to answer it.<br />I believe that when I said it is possible to do a chart reading without a chart, I was thinking more in terms of consultation skills and the ability to do a "process" with a client and go to the root of the problem and walk the person through it until that person comes to a haha moment that unlocks the difficulties/ problems that person was dealing with.<br />For that, I believe no chart or astrology is necessary.<br />what you do need is the ability to listen physically, mentally,intuitively and spiritually in addition to a good understanding of human psychology and lots of personal experience.<br />Armed with the above, you can process anybody, even strangers and mere acquaintances over the phone.<br />My ex-boyfriend had this talent. I have seen him do it over and over with speed, accuracy and no astrology, so I know it is possible.I learned from him. Hence my take that astrology is not necessary. But that's me and my experience.<br />I am not sure if that answers your question, but that from where I am coming from.Astrology Unboxedhttp://astrologyunboxed.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-17841117417903314022011-02-04T09:40:39.797-06:002011-02-04T09:40:39.797-06:00Anon/Gian Paul~~~ That's very likely true, GP....Anon/Gian Paul~~~ That's very likely true, GP. Enough is never enough, they are always "improving" "extending" offering new and "better" versions, tinkering with something that was fine already. Sigh.Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-18210318363788443462011-02-04T09:24:27.259-06:002011-02-04T09:24:27.259-06:00This is GIAN PAUL: It's not the chaotic weathe...This is GIAN PAUL: It's not the chaotic weather which creates the internet problems as reported by WWW and me right now. I did not post under anon. The system is faulty. Because of greed, underinvestment or as some smart guy recently said: stop pushing new gadgets into the net all the time, let people and the system breathe once in a while...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-22551981740738322652011-02-04T09:15:10.705-06:002011-02-04T09:15:10.705-06:00That's why I opted to experiment retiring ther...That's why I opted to experiment retiring there. It's for sure not boring or "always the same".Anonymoushttp://(optional)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-65055541726355016402011-02-04T08:53:39.476-06:002011-02-04T08:53:39.476-06:00Gian Paul ~~~ Different world, quite different is ...Gian Paul ~~~ Different world, quite different is Brazil, it seems! :-)Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-61047513309970808782011-02-04T08:51:55.679-06:002011-02-04T08:51:55.679-06:00WWW ~~~ Yes, an interesting character for sure.
I...WWW ~~~ Yes, an interesting character for sure.<br /><br />I think the chaotic weather might be involved in erratic internet/comment links, WWW. We've had some blips and gurgles this end too.Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-39258334172056492742011-02-04T08:50:02.895-06:002011-02-04T08:50:02.895-06:00Astrology Unboxed (Fabienne)~~
As I'm not expe...Astrology Unboxed (Fabienne)~~<br />As I'm not experienced in consulting, either as a client or practitioner, so am interested to hear your take on this.<br /><br />I use astrology experimentally really I suppose, knowing "something is happening" but not knowing what it is - makes it a bit of an adventure.<br /><br />:-)Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-53184110107116795372011-02-03T20:22:11.471-06:002011-02-03T20:22:11.471-06:00Oh the stars are kind to me tonight!Oh the stars are kind to me tonight!Wisewebwomanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15281689872840844191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-39239121147833940572011-02-03T20:21:37.061-06:002011-02-03T20:21:37.061-06:00Every time I come here lately, T, my comment gets ...Every time I come here lately, T, my comment gets trashed.<br /><br />I am hoping this is not an astrological problem.<br /><br />Interesting man your Smit. I love how you dig this stuff up.<br /><br />XO<br />WWWWisewebwomanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15281689872840844191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-306958998642374102011-02-03T18:31:16.737-06:002011-02-03T18:31:16.737-06:00Hi Twilight:
Very interesting post.I can see where...Hi Twilight:<br />Very interesting post.I can see where an astrologer would loose his faith in the "stars'.<br />I have a little bit of the same position as Mr. Smit. I do believe that you do not need a chart to be able to do a great consultation. Listening, intuition, asking questions, being present, understanding and having good intent are sometimes enough for a reading. This has happened to me a few times. But then I have lots of water in my chart including a grand trine. <br />I can see why you could become a lapsed astrologer. I use astrology as a tool, but I do not depend on it.<br />@ Gian Paul:<br />A similar story happened to me with a Brazilian client. He wanted his wife to participate in his reading so I could tell her that he was having an affair.Astrology Unboxedhttp://astrologyunboxed.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-41974856946878377992011-02-03T10:16:36.404-06:002011-02-03T10:16:36.404-06:00Gian Paul ~~~ Interesting story GP!
A good example...Gian Paul ~~~ Interesting story GP!<br />A good example of an unscrupulous, unprincipled client! <br /><br />As there was evidence astrologically that upheld the clent's wishes the astrologer wasn't unprincipled. The client wouldn't have cared if the astrologer fabricated his advice though.<br /><br />Astrologers can be prey to those intent on mischief! :-(Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-11653687406221743442011-02-03T10:09:34.875-06:002011-02-03T10:09:34.875-06:00batt ~~~ Hi there!
I'm as sure as I can be t...batt ~~~ Hi there! <br /><br />I'm as sure as I can be that the astrologers whose blogs appear in the links in my sidebar, and in the widget (Astro-Dispatch), are all genuine.<br /><br />The trick is in finding an astrologer who speaks "your language" (I don't mean literally) - someone who is on your wavelength. This is the important part. It doesn't matter how genuine or skilled an astrolger is if he/she has a style to which you don't naturally, instinctively respond, you won't fully appreciate what they write/say to you.<br /><br />If you followed a few of the astrology blogs linked in the list marked "TRINES" in the sidebar for a while it would give you some insight into the style of their authors. Most of those astrologers will provide chart readings. <br /><br />I wrote a post about choosing an astrologer a couple of years ago- this is a link to it:<br /><br />http://twilightstarsong.blogspot.com/2009/08/how-to-choose-astrologer.html<br /><br />Good luck!Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-87598997272705878222011-02-03T09:17:36.298-06:002011-02-03T09:17:36.298-06:00Very fancy indeed: A friend here in Brazil, Zé Fer...Very fancy indeed: A friend here in Brazil, Zé Ferrero, ex-astrologer as well and his name translates to "Smit" in the Dutch language, also gave up giving astrological consultancies for payment. He though still is interested in the matter, but here is his story of why he gave up being a "professional":<br /><br />A new client, executive in some big Brazilian corporation, offered Ferrero/Smit a handsome sum if he managed to convince his lover to believe that after all they did not really make a good match anymore.<br /><br />And there was some logic for that: the exec in question was tired of continuing to carry his lover (in parallel to his wife and family) with him to werever he was going for a new assignment. Especially that the next one was being Paris, city of many attractive "other women".<br /><br />Ferrero explained that he did not get the promised "big sum of money" as the victim-client (the execs' lover) did not believe what he told her. She actually managed to end up in Paris as well. As she had done for some 20 years with that guy.Gian Paulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-17700338026558272672011-02-03T09:06:39.287-06:002011-02-03T09:06:39.287-06:00hi twilight!
i have been following your blog for ...hi twilight!<br /><br />i have been following your blog for sometime now... though i dont understand all of it, i am just curious about astrology.. and i find most people faking it.. is there a way i can find some genuine astrologers and learn.. or at the least get my own life reading done?batthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05557078682599233444noreply@blogger.com