tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post1023118126549033738..comments2024-03-17T03:42:21.277-05:00Comments on LEARNING CURVE ON THE ECLIPTIC: Updating 2008 - rhyming but not repeating Twilighthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-18528323281595796372016-04-19T22:17:15.017-05:002016-04-19T22:17:15.017-05:00mike (again) ~ Dang! Dang! Dang! I had hoped Ber...mike (again) ~ Dang! Dang! Dang! I had hoped Bernie would hold Hillary to a tighter race, at least. As you say, there have been some questionable problems for voters in NYC - and I've just read somewhere that Bernie won the large majority of counties/districts (presumably in upstate NY - many more than Hillary did....also that NY, especially NYC is, and has been, well under the thumb of the DNC establishment, led by the Clintons. Perhaps that's sour grapes...sounds reasonable though.<br /><br />We'll see what he sees as his route going forward - I'm sure there'll be e-mails coming for further donations. I don't believe he'll withdraw at this point, unless forces - and I don't think they can force him to do so.<br /><br />Polishing the knitting needles and winding the wool is my next job! ;-) <br /><br /> Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-371692554119551672016-04-19T21:14:03.043-05:002016-04-19T21:14:03.043-05:00I hadn't heard Jane Sanders speak beyond one s...I hadn't heard Jane Sanders speak beyond one sentence prior to this interview, but as she points-out, Bernie hasn't received more than a few minutes here and there on mainstream news, so the media doesn't have time for Jane, either. I already knew the interview topics and discussion, so I certainly agree with her on the subjects covered. I enjoyed the brief how-we-met!<br /><br />I saw on the national news that NYC had tremendous problems with their elections, from broken machines, closed precincts, and possibly up to 126,000 voters purged and made ineligible to vote, many from Bernie's Bronx.<br /><br />Sanders' campaign manager is asking for a probe into Hillary's "Victory Fund" and its association with the DNC, which is taking advantage of a loophole. The DNC has been a Bernie frenemy this entire election process.<br /><br />Like you, I have contempt for Hillary. At this time, she's about 60% to Bernie's 40%...she was just announced the winner. Ugh. It appears she has managed to finagle her nomination. Seven more months until the election...get busy Mdme Defarge!!!mike (again)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-64044672628789376212016-04-19T17:50:12.321-05:002016-04-19T17:50:12.321-05:00mike ~ I've just watched a 36 min video of a...mike ~ I've just watched a 36 min video of an interview by Cenk Uygar with Dr. Jane Sanders - if you've not seen it - it's well worth viewing.<br /><br />http://elitedaily.com/news/politics/young-turks-host-says-media-afraid-bernie-sanders/1462863/ Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-87166842769874894602016-04-19T16:14:11.408-05:002016-04-19T16:14:11.408-05:00mike (again) ~ I always think of Jupiter in terms...mike (again) ~ I always think of Jupiter in terms of excesses, so I guess idealism is an excess of optimism and philosophical thought. :-) I do seem to remember reading that Neptune has some involvement in idealism too though. In Neptune's case it probably has to do with attempting to escape reality, dissolving the boundaries of what is and isn't possible. Uranus' possible idealistic bent, to my mind comes from a continual push for new things - new and better, presumably! Because we don't know what we're dealing with in astrology it's wide open to argue in lots of directions.<br /><br />Thanks for all these extra astrological points.<br /><br /><br /><br />Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-24129476830637693822016-04-19T14:19:54.037-05:002016-04-19T14:19:54.037-05:00I would ascribe Jupiter (Sagittarius) to the role ...I would ascribe Jupiter (Sagittarius) to the role of idealism, at least in the basics of astrology. The four mutable signs help formulate: the mind and collection of data of Mercury-Gemini; organizing and analysis of the data of Mercury-Virgo; formulating higher concepts, ideologies, philosophies of Jupiter-Sagittarius; transcending the mental toward universal abstractions of Jupiter-Neptune-Pisces.<br /><br />Jupiter has synodic cyles and the synodes with the slower planets are considered very important in individual and collective evolution. Jupiter's conjunction with an outer planet starts a new cycle, wrenches thrown-in at the two squares, and tested at the opposition.<br /><br />Jupiter-Saturn 20 year synode:<br />"The most significant circumstances in the life of a nation, especially a democratic republic of free institutions and the rule of law, happens when those in power, at the time of the conjunction and often at the time of the opposition, pass that power on to a whole new group of people.<br /><br />At this time, during the period of its new phase, or the full phase, a political party that may have been in power for years, or a group in government who followed a certain political philosophy, might simply go out of power, or be voted out of office."<br />http://www.historicalastrology.com/planetary-synodic-cycles/150-years-of-jupitersaturn/<br /><br />Jupiter-Uranus 13.5 year synode:<br />“In world transits, the cyclical alignments of Jupiter and Uranus correlated consistently with condensed waves of celebrated milestones of creative or emancipatory activity across many fields. The conjunction of the two planets occurs approximately every fourteen years. During each of these, as well as during the intervening oppositions, decisive crests of remarkably synchronous breakthroughs and innovations appeared to take place within a brief period of time in many areas of human activity. The evidence suggested that the continuing long-term cultural developments that we saw associated with the longer Uranus-Pluto cycle (and with other longer outer planet cycles . . . such as Uranus-Neptune) consistently burst forth in a more frequent cyclical efflorescence in coincidence with the Jupiter-Uranus alignments. These cyclical waves of creative and emancipatory cultural activity occurred either as intervening crests between the longer, less frequent Uranus-Pluto alignments or as climactic moments during or just after the period of the longer alignment.” –Richard Tarnas, Cosmos and Psyche, p. 294<br />https://graycrawford.net/2014/09/16/the-jupiter-and-uranus-cycle/<br /><br />The Jupiter-Neptune opposition has just occurred. Jupiter-Uranus opposition is early January, 2017. Jupiter-Saturn square is upon us now. Jupiter-Pluto trine is upon us now.<br /><br />Note that Jupiter was conjunct Neptune early 2010, then conjunct Uranus one year later. Tarnas' notation that a Jupiter-Uranus synode occurring just pre or post to the Uranus-Pluto square would be expected to be of greater significance. The Jupiter-Uranus opposition January, 2017, is post. The Jupiter-Uranus conjunction and opposition bracket the many Uranus-Pluto squares of the past several years, as does the Jupiter-Neptune synode of conjunction-opposition. Maybe this is why things seem so kooky-balooky right now.mike (again)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-36923719685605709542016-04-19T11:20:07.783-05:002016-04-19T11:20:07.783-05:00mike ~ Considering also the title I gave to the p...mike ~ Considering also the title I gave to the post in 2008 : "Spirit of Idealism in the USA" - idealism could be said to be a combination of Neptune and Uranus?Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-71630880622132066862016-04-19T11:14:22.412-05:002016-04-19T11:14:22.412-05:00mike ~ Thank you for these observations. I adjus...mike ~ Thank you for these observations. I adjusted my 2008 post to fit 2016 just to see what would emerge, not really to make any specific point, astrological or political - other than, maybe, that we voters are still part of the same dance formation we were in 2008, just a little further around the dance floor. I didn't know what, if anything, would come out of the exercise - probably not much has! My brain became scrambled just in the post preparation! <br /><br />Is it at all significant that in 2008 there was mutual reception tropically and in 2016 there's mutual reception sidereally, between Neptune and Uranus? Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-21336806270197609012016-04-19T11:07:52.590-05:002016-04-19T11:07:52.590-05:00BTW - Astrologers identify a planetary conjunction...BTW - Astrologers identify a planetary conjunction by longitude more often than not, ie two or more planets occupying the same degree of a sign. Latitudinal conjunctions are rarely used nowadays. Eclipses are longitudinal and latitudinal conjunctions. We have a true conjunction (eclipse) of Sun-Mercury on May 9th:<br />http://www.skyandtelescope.com/astronomy-news/observing-news/get-ready-for-may-9th-transit-of-mercury-041320162/<br /><br />Here's a 1901 to 2050 Sun-Mercury transit ephemeris (there have only been 21 transits in that duration):<br />http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/transit/transit.htmlmike (again)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-12685164518913584362016-04-19T10:26:53.374-05:002016-04-19T10:26:53.374-05:00I know you don't put stock in mundane astrolog...I know you don't put stock in mundane astrology, Twilight, but the birth of a nation is often considered when viewing planetary transits, whether sidereal or tropical. The USA is definitely different than other countries and vice versa. Does each country have a unique natal chart that correlates with astrology and defines its inherent characteristics?<br /><br />There's also the global chart or the world axis, tropically defined as Sun at 0* Aries at the time of equinox (or subtract 23* for the sidereal). Your post today is a consideration whether tropical or sidereal astrology best fits the characteristics indicated by the current (or previous) election characteristics using the world axis, not transits (or progressions, returns, etc) to the USA natal chart.<br /><br />Likewise, you are considering strictly the sidereal-tropical longitudinal positions of Uranus and Neptune by constellation sign. Planetary aspects will probably be a major factor, whether by current transits (global-world axis) or to the USA natal chart. One can also say that the presidential wannabes' natal charts are factors, additionally considering each candidate's astrological resonance within the electorate. What filters the overall electorate into subgroups of individual candidate supporters?<br /><br />The following aspects are valid for both sidereal and tropical (the planetwatcher link is displayed in tropical):<br />2008's presidential election had Saturn opposed Uranus and inconjunct Neptune:<br />http://planetwatcher.com/#1225821600<br />2012's election had Uranus square Pluto and Saturn trine Neptune:<br />http://planetwatcher.com/#1352224800<br />2016's election has the remnants of the Uranus-Pluto squares, with the Jupiter-Saturn-Neptune T-squares dissipating by election day. Jupiter will be square Pluto, inconjunct Neptune, and Neptune conjunct the S Node:<br />http://planetwatcher.com/#1478628000<br /><br />To address your post, when I consider the global events of the past several years, I identify that as uniquely Uranus in Aries, Neptune in Pisces, Pluto in Capricorn. However, the harsh astrological aspects are the same, whether sidereal or tropical...maybe it's more the geometric angle and not the sign.mikenoreply@blogger.com