tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post788865885058979181..comments2024-03-17T03:42:21.277-05:00Comments on LEARNING CURVE ON THE ECLIPTIC: Astrological Hand-me-downsTwilighthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-51077076766081276402014-08-07T17:26:53.819-05:002014-08-07T17:26:53.819-05:00Anonymous (Kidd) ~ Thanks for your contribution o...Anonymous (Kidd) ~ Thanks for your contribution of family info. It's all grist to the mill. :-)<br /><br />Lack of birth times is a really annoying block isn't it? Still we do what we can with what we've got.<br /><br />If statistics are unhelpful in the proof that astrological bits and pieces can run in families, all we have to go on is intuition, sharp observation and sensitivities, insight....and guesswork, which might not be 100% accurate, but are a lot more satisfying. Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-40177573990242897792014-08-07T17:18:15.378-05:002014-08-07T17:18:15.378-05:00mike ~ My brain turns to mush when considering sta...mike ~ My brain turns to mush when considering statistics, though I do see the logic in what you've written. <br /><br />My views spring only from my own experience, and that's as an only child, no siblings to compare, and no birth times for parents to give me exact Moon positions and house, ascendant/midheaven placements. So, I've come to my conclusion on unstable facts, I guess.<br /><br />Even so, the similarity of nature between myself and my Dad surely has to be more than chance - and we were very similar in nature (as my mother never tired of telling me!) :-)<br /><br />Traits could be passed down, as you say via astro aspects. There are many combinations capable of producing versions of, say, an impatient nature, or a methodical nature, or an egotistical nature or a sarcastic nature......<br /><br />Perhaps the idea that a parent's nature being passed on via DNA, which DNA in turn is connected, or responsive somehow, to the time of year, time of day, time of month - whatever, at conception or birth, isn't totally wild, even if impossible to prove statistically.<br />Just as certain plants grow and thrive at certain times of year, maybe certain combinations of sperm+ egg containing particular mix of DNA will only "gel" at certain times and deign to be born at certain times.<br /><br />It's a topic that lends itself to all kinds of interesting propositions and argument, but nothing truly capable of proof.<br /> <br /><br />Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-38935184786753278962014-08-07T14:36:08.020-05:002014-08-07T14:36:08.020-05:00Hmm, this is food for thought.
I have no birthtim...Hmm, this is food for thought.<br /><br />I have no birthtimes for my parents.<br /><br />But my Dad had the same 3 outer planets involved with his Sun. <br />- Neptune in the same aspect.<br />- His Pluto was sextile mine.<br />- Neptune square.<br />- Uranus widely opposed.<br /><br />My Mom had the same 3 planets in Virgo as Mike, but with no conjunction.<br />- We did not have a lot in common.<br /><br />Her sister, on the other hand, had her Saturn only 38 minutes away from mine.<br />- Our Mercury's were conjunct, her Pluto opp's my merc partile.<br />- Her Venus at 19 Sag is directly sextile my own.<br /><br /><br /><br />All three had Mars in Sag.<br />I heard the phrase "Ohh ... Hurry up!", all too often!<br /><br />There is a streak of "Redhead" on my Mothers side.<br />Lot's of Sag and many Aquarians - all of them in January.<br /><br />Kidd.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-49852545085724798502014-08-07T12:54:29.799-05:002014-08-07T12:54:29.799-05:00I'd add that my comments do not necessarily re...I'd add that my comments do not necessarily reflect some astrological principles, such as a parent's fertility cycle, perhaps lunar-based, which may increase the odds of that parent giving birth more often at a particular time of year, which increases the likelihood of children with the same Sun sign...I've seen this in many families. I'm aware that there is a notion that the Moon's sign at conception is the ascendant upon birth.<br /><br />Also, mutual attraction between parents and-or lovers my preclude them from having a large number of same-sign placements, favoring aspects between planets, instead. This notion is astrologically supported with the study of mid-point and synastry placements.<br /><br />I often think that the "hand-me-downs" are more likely to appear in oddities between the two charts being compared. My mother has (had?) Sun-Jupiter-Saturn conjunct in the last two degrees of Virgo, which my Saturn and lunar South Node conjunct almost exactly. My father was born exactly two weeks prior to my mother, so his Jupiter-Saturn are conjunct my Saturn-Node, too, but his Sun conjuncts my Moon in Virgo. Weird, eh?!mikr (again)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-57243216597908649832014-08-07T12:30:38.401-05:002014-08-07T12:30:38.401-05:00I think that the chance of same astrological place...I think that the chance of same astrological placements by sign needs to be evaluated with a degree or two of caution or at least have some logic applied. When the frequency of same sign placements increases between two natal charts among the variables, the odds of that happening decrease and the chances become more rare. Due to the planetary cycles in astrology, simple common sense will dictate some of the odds, as I indicated in my first comment. <br /><br />What are the chances that a parent will have Uranus in the same sign as their child? Next to zero. What are the chances that an individual will have friends or siblings that have Uranus in the same sign? Much higher. Friends of the same age? Much, much higher.<br /><br />In astrological cycles, there are things that simply aren't going to happen when comparing parents and their children, but more likely with siblings. There are other cycles, like the solar and lunar that have as much likelihood to occur between parent to parent, parents and their children, sibling to sibling, or friend to friend. <br /><br />The likelihood of having the same solar degree is the same as the old "birthday problem":<br /><br />"In probability theory, the birthday problem or birthday paradox concerns the probability that, in a set of n randomly chosen people, some pair of them will have the same birthday. By the pigeonhole principle, the probability reaches 100% when the number of people reaches 367 (since there are 366 possible birthdays, including February 29). However, 99.9% probability is reached with just 70 people, and 50% probability with 23 people. These conclusions include the assumption that each day of the year (except February 29) is equally probable for a birthday."<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthday_problem<br /><br />What is the probability that anyone in the group shares the same astrological solar sign? Much, much higher.mike (again)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-40743761331469917962014-08-07T11:34:36.137-05:002014-08-07T11:34:36.137-05:00mike ~ Interesting thoughts. Am just about to go o...mike ~ Interesting thoughts. Am just about to go out, hurrying.. and might have missed something crucial... are you saying that, in your opinion, there isn't anything very "mystically astrological" about similar astro-related traits in families, that the phenomenon, if it exists at all, is somehow mathematically or calendrically produced, if and when it occurs?<br /><br />As for friends - I usually gravitate towards Air or Fire-heavy people most easily. I've always found the elemental side of astrology to be a reliable rule of thumb in relationship matters. Age is irrelevant when other things line up.<br /> Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-90005080098762424312014-08-07T10:04:28.654-05:002014-08-07T10:04:28.654-05:00The statistics favor similarities between all char...The statistics favor similarities between all charts, particularly with faster transiting planets. The Sun can only be in one of twelve sign positions, same for the Moon and ascendant...there is an 8% chance (1 in 12) of sharing one of those positions with ANYONE. Mercury and Venus can only be so far from the Sun...if the parent has the same Sun sign or plus-minus one sign, the likelihood of sharing Mercury-Venus positions increases.<br /><br />"Child bearing years" contributes to an increased chance of sign sharing between parent and child. Most women bear children when Saturn is within 45* plus or minus their natal Saturn position (or twenty-eight years plus-minus seven years), so their child has an increased likelihood of sharing the same Saturn sign. The child of a 24 year old parent will probably share both Mars' and Jupiter's sign position. The lunar nodes are the same sign when the parent bears at age 18.5 or 37, plus-minus 1.5 years...opposite nodes at 28 years plus-minus.<br /><br />Friends will have the same 8% chance with the Sun, Moon, and ascendant signs. Friends typically are close in age, so the likelihood of sharing similar planetary sign positions increases, particularly the trans-personal (generational) planets.<br /><br />I've always had a tendency toward a diverse group of friends, when considering their ages vs mine...I've never socialized within one age grouping. From this age-diverse pool, I've had a much higher than normal grouping of Taurus, Leo, and Virgo Sun signs...Virgo Moons highly represented.mikenoreply@blogger.com