tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post424551828678522515..comments2024-03-17T03:42:21.277-05:00Comments on LEARNING CURVE ON THE ECLIPTIC: Astrology & Authoritarianism ? Twilighthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-19876746416155395652017-07-03T00:18:04.972-05:002017-07-03T00:18:04.972-05:00Kim Gould ~ Hi there, and many thanks for your in...Kim Gould ~ Hi there, and many thanks for your input on this.Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-14240378415331967312017-07-02T16:17:12.338-05:002017-07-02T16:17:12.338-05:00The correlation between astrology and authoritaria...The correlation between astrology and authoritarian is false for one very important reason. Astrology can be practiced and applied in many ways. Some people will see 'the stars' as authoratative, but any good astrologer uses their craft to encourage people to think about themselves and their lives in new and different ways, to explore different possible interpretations of events, to experiment with shifting behaviour. <br /><br />A person with a tendency to authoritarianism would most likely give over their own personal 'authoring' of their own life, because they have been taught obedience to an external authority. They will, of course, apply this in many areas - their work, their relationships, their government, their doctor, etc. And if they see an astrologer, guess how they approach it? <br /><br />Being serious about astrology does not mean giving astrology power over me, it means becoming skilled in the nuance and application of a metaphysical science with thousands of years of expert observation and verification. <br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11233143828946073301noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-73579541857364998172016-03-08T00:02:15.981-06:002016-03-08T00:02:15.981-06:00Sabina~ Lol! Are we keeping you out of mischief...Sabina~ Lol! Are we keeping you out of mischief? Sorry! I glanced at Adorno's Wiki page when preparing the post and his natal chart, but decided to stay away from more detail. Coincidentally I came across him again this afternoon when searching for info on an artist I'm investigating for a post on Friday. Maybe his name will pop up again in that post.<br /><br />Judge Jeanine ...hmm - she was talking about Trump - defending him against Romney's attack, but she could almost have been defending Sanders against Clinton. :-) A touch over the top though, but she's not wrong. Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-21940602716914511132016-03-07T18:03:57.090-06:002016-03-07T18:03:57.090-06:00Yikes! What I don't get up to after reading yo...Yikes! What I don't get up to after reading your columns! About three-and-a-half hours of reading your links above, and then on to Wiki entries about Adorno, his works, and massive intro to his key work in question (of which a free PDF exists online), I think he had some thought-provoking ideas about authoritarianism. BUT, he also had his own 'issues', both personal (he was a Jewish musician/intellectual forced to flee Germany in the 30's, and a Freudian Marxist) and professional (peer-identified problems with methodology inter alia). The astrology column he referenced was indeed just your run of the mill Sun sign nonsense. Sum total = no 'provable' connection there.<br /><br />Personally, I think this 'rant' (linked from, of all things, Comments section of a Canuck financial advice column I read) speaks to the root causes of some of the political rage fueling Trump's authoritarian appeal:<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srGlyFyghRk&feature=youtu.beAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-47843481880257083812016-03-07T17:22:24.437-06:002016-03-07T17:22:24.437-06:00Out of the box Bob ~ I prefer to look back, quite ...Out of the box Bob ~ I prefer to look back, quite a while later, and note whether any events or situations I've encountered stand out as having corresponded with transits. I'm not good at the expecting game - expecting something or some situation or state of mind, be it good, bad or indifferent, that could quite possibly never materialise, or if it did, in a way quite different from expectation. Hiding to nothing! I like astrology to be much looser than the way most astrologers "do it". Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-40753191505394508142016-03-07T15:46:39.314-06:002016-03-07T15:46:39.314-06:00Que sera, sera.
I stopped doing readings for peop...Que sera, sera.<br /><br />I stopped doing readings for people long ago and I rarely look at my own chart except for an occaisional post event. There is no telling what a particular chart combination is to herald beyond positive or negative, easy or difficult, or some similar description.<br /><br />The transit of Mars occurs roughly every 2 years but will not coincide with the same event each time. Hiding in a closet or under the bed will not erase a negative read aspect. One may gain weight even when Jupiter is not in the first house, especially as one ages and becomes less active physically, and one will not lose weight just because Saturn is transiting the first house of your horoscope. Poor One!<br /><br />Working charts is my main time filler when not doing something else.Out of the box Bobnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-91644111553568120202016-03-07T12:42:25.059-06:002016-03-07T12:42:25.059-06:00But, as I wrote at the end of the post - it's ...But, as I wrote at the end of the post - it's a reach!Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-75778117619063737312016-03-07T12:40:38.009-06:002016-03-07T12:40:38.009-06:00mike ~ Thanks for your observations on this. You&...mike ~ Thanks for your observations on this. You've looked at in a rather different way from my initial impression. When putting astrology and authoritarianism in the same sentence, to be considered together, it struck me that perhaps, relying too much on astrologically predicted outcomes, atmospheres, transits etc, in relation to one's own natal chart or in mundane matters is ...kind of...like being obedient to something - that is if astrology is taken too seriously.<br /><br />I agree 100% that religion is akin to authoritarianism (dang, but that word is a nuisance to type!)Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-8656264304021139922016-03-07T11:00:09.194-06:002016-03-07T11:00:09.194-06:00Religion is one giant, authoritarian dogma. POTUS...Religion is one giant, authoritarian dogma. POTUS little Bush was a fundamentalist and thought the Earth 6,000 years old. Creationism is destroying our education system. Had Allum asked his respondents whether they did-didn't believe in astrology due to their religious beliefs, would the results have been different, or at least viewed in a different light?mike (again)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-91240444883780088242016-03-07T10:35:48.097-06:002016-03-07T10:35:48.097-06:00It's interesting to note that Carl Jung found ...It's interesting to note that Carl Jung found astrology as a rich resource and perhaps a foundation toward understanding his field of psychology. Financial astrology has contributed an understanding of cycles in economics and a number of astrologers have won awards for calling the reversal trends of money, assets, and precious metals. Several astrologers foresaw the incredible changes induced post 9-11-2001, based primarily on the Saturn-Uranus-Pluto T-square, then Uranus-Pluto square. Along with the Uranus-Pluto square, the Jupiter-Saturn-Neptune T-square extant was predicted to provide an amusing political season, religious consternation and extremes, and environmental havoc. Errant correlations or is there something to astrology? Astrology typically out-performs the scholastic pseudo-scientific experts.mike (again)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-19640070587904757992016-03-07T09:55:01.346-06:002016-03-07T09:55:01.346-06:00Psychology is likewise not a scientific discipline...Psychology is likewise not a scientific discipline! Nick Allum is throwing rocks from his glass house. He presents his results, but his methodology may be suspect. I thought his "How Scientific would you consider astrology or horoscopes" misleading, as he then proceeds to infer confusion over astrology equal to astronomy, because 25% thought astrology scientific vs 7% for horoscopes. Ask most astrologers and each would draw a line between astrology and horoscopes, as most have disdain for Sun-sign-only forecasting. Astrologers would also rank horoscopes very low without confusing astrology for astronomy. His linking of conformity and authority with belief in astrology is alarming, as both terms are qualitative at best, and conformity-authority is linked to a wide variety of psychological outcomes. His "quantified" terminology defined as, "how important they thought 'obedience' was as a value that children should learn" is left wide-open, which is why he put quotation marks around the word obedience. I won't be losing any sleep over Allum's essay. Those that are predisposed to thinking astrology as rubbish will find satisfaction in his authoritarian study.<br /><br />His very last sentence is striking. He states, "And these factors might prove useful in understanding beliefs about a whole range of pseudoscientific fields. Well, duh, psychology, political science, and economics fall into the pseudo-scientific fields, too, but are much more respected. Each falls victim to the same authoritarianism. Guess that's why most economists didn't see the 2008 recession...or this year's politics cannot be predicted by the pundits. Any discipline involving human nature will never be a science. I believe that astrology has much to offer in characterizing human nature and affords a method of trending-predicting human-human interactions.<br /><br />Authoritarianism is everywhere...it's part of human nature.mikenoreply@blogger.com