tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post4126005527754048258..comments2024-03-17T03:42:21.277-05:00Comments on LEARNING CURVE ON THE ECLIPTIC: Arty Farty Friday - Michelangelo - A QuestionTwilighthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-14137126364240247702015-03-07T15:50:46.107-06:002015-03-07T15:50:46.107-06:00sorry...I always get the 2 symbols confused...it s...sorry...I always get the 2 symbols confused...it seems his chart is a slippery worm for me as well :)DChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03404195170822950372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-20284497088020331292015-03-06T18:17:35.556-06:002015-03-06T18:17:35.556-06:00DC ~ Thanks for the link - yes, that does fit.
...DC ~ Thanks for the link - yes, that does fit. <br /><br />I suspect you meant to say Jupiter in Aquarius? Or in astro.com's chart there's Mercury in Aquarius also.Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-23107729710684485962015-03-06T17:10:50.107-06:002015-03-06T17:10:50.107-06:00and Saturn in Aquarius...maybe a "teacher&quo...and Saturn in Aquarius...maybe a "teacher" ahead of their time?DChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03404195170822950372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-46850858155279564212015-03-06T17:05:34.887-06:002015-03-06T17:05:34.887-06:00you might be onto something with the Capricorn ris...you might be onto something with the Capricorn rising.....here <a href="http://www.cafeastrology.com/capricorn_ascendantrisingsign.html" rel="nofollow">here</a> is a link albeit cafeastrology which I seldom put much credence, although it seems to apply here....especially with the latter phrase..."Esoterically, mastery of the world of form and the ability to physically manifest and embody spirit is a key to your soul function."DChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03404195170822950372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-56041466333986191972015-03-06T16:42:20.033-06:002015-03-06T16:42:20.033-06:00DC ~ Hi there! I agree that lack of Earth in his c...DC ~ Hi there! I agree that lack of Earth in his chart is odd. I wonder if, perhaps he did have Capricorn rising, and the birth time arrived by biographers and used by astro.com was a bit off - for some reason. That would tie in better with the 1933/5 quote I mentioned. Sadly no source was given for that data.<br /><br />This could be an example of finding a good reading from the wrong chart (either way) - astrology's stretch marks... as a previous post here<br /><br />http://twilightstarsong.blogspot.com/2015/02/astrologys-quirks-and-stretch-marks.html<br /><br />:-)Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-60696192013243254682015-03-06T16:33:15.629-06:002015-03-06T16:33:15.629-06:00Sonny ~ Thank you. Hope your weekend is peaceful...Sonny ~ Thank you. Hope your weekend is peaceful and pleasant too, Sonny.<br />Thinkin' of ya!Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-14550696866927857162015-03-06T15:39:32.833-06:002015-03-06T15:39:32.833-06:00All things concerning dates aside....I find it int...All things concerning dates aside....I find it interesting that he doesn't have any earth planets other than Pluto....I was just of the mind that someone who sculpted so divinely would maybe have a planet in an earth sign other than Pluto in Virgo since marble is of course an Earthly material...literally....and the many unfinished works do point to Aries as well....the mystery is interesting. DChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03404195170822950372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-38143341934417209382015-03-06T15:13:41.110-06:002015-03-06T15:13:41.110-06:00just popping in to say Hello.. enjoyed reading the...just popping in to say Hello.. enjoyed reading the post and comments.<br /><br /> taking my supplements and hoping for the best...<br /><br /> have a great weekend <br /> SonnySonny Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06926830309207639536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-32953557307204130852015-03-06T14:51:44.332-06:002015-03-06T14:51:44.332-06:00mike (again) ~ I could never have delved into ast...mike (again) ~ I could never have delved into astrology before computers - I used to search and grasp anything I could get my hands on, pounced on bits of ephemeris detail sometimes included at the back of books on astrology; but as for being able to calculate a natal chart taking into consideration all factors necessary for an accurate result - no way, no how! <br /><br />Your mention of time zones and time changes, for whatever reason, might be the reason that the article from which I quoted in the post (from 1933-35) differs from astro.com's chart in the ascendant sign and house positions...maybe, but maybe not. I have brain cramp on this topic now so will not pursue it further. :-)<br /><br />Ah yes - "spring forward" is on Sunday. I think our latest snows (around 2 to 3 inches this week + ice and low temps) will have melted by then. It has been a long winter - started in November, lasted until early March. I'm heading for a dose of cabin fever, partly due to my own foot-related problems in the Fall we haven't been very far from home since last June when we visited Kansas. I wanna go somewhere! The Grand Canyon is the last famous US place(within our range that we haven't yet visited).<br />Have you seen it - is it worth the effort?Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-21395293651930423592015-03-06T13:57:24.206-06:002015-03-06T13:57:24.206-06:00Earlier, I searched "Michelangelo birthday&qu...Earlier, I searched "Michelangelo birthday" and many sites, including Wiki, provided March 6, 1475, as his birth date, but there is no mention of this being a Julian calendar date. As you pieced together, his true Gregorian calendar anniversary is March 15th.<br /><br />This is similar to my beginning days of astrology. In the old days, prior to computer software, knowing the time zone of any given city in the USA was difficult and many cities changed zones periodically. "Time Changes in the USA" (American Federation of Astrologers, rev 1973) was indispensable.<br /><br />And don't forget that we have a change this Sunday morning at 2 AM...set the clocks ahead one hour. Why can't congress just leave it be?! I do like the "extra hour" of evening daylight in the summer months, but not enough to endorse the notion. Time is synthetic enough without messing with it...LOL.mike (again)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-40082970525295056982015-03-06T13:07:15.215-06:002015-03-06T13:07:15.215-06:00Vanilla Rose - Me neither, and I'm glad that n...Vanilla Rose - Me neither, and I'm glad that no other Pope since Gregory has decided to change the calendar yet again!Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-90886134559631483072015-03-06T13:06:01.610-06:002015-03-06T13:06:01.610-06:00mike ~ Thanks for the loan of your brain power - m...mike ~ Thanks for the loan of your brain power - mike. On this topic anyway, I had become bewildered, bothered and heading for bewitched!<br /><br />I'd followed much the same paths as you in your first two suggestions but remained unconvinced I had the answer. There was, always, lurking at the back of my mind, but buried under the rest of the confusion the thought you've brought up in your third comment....my software! Is it calculating by different method, or the same as that from the system used by astro.com and astrotheme?<br /><br />I looked in the "Help" section as you suggested, searching all possible combination of words - no info on Julian/Gregorian/calendar conversion.<br /><br />Pulled out the manual which came with the full software I used to use (and on which my present very basic software is based/extracted) - no mention of anything about their ephemeris there.<br /><br />So I Googled Matrix astrology software ephemeris used (or words to that effect) and came up with their most recent ad. for their product -Version 4 Winstar. My software is version 2 or 2.5. <br /><br />Version 4 advert has this in its blurb<br /><br /><i>Swiss Ephemeris — Now you can choose between Swiss Ephemeris or Matrix Ephemeris calculations.</i><br /><br />It's not clear whether earlier versions used Matrix Ephemeris or if the Matrix ephemeris did calendar conversions automatically or not.<br /><br />Googled around a while, couldn't find more about Matrix Ephemeris, but I'm going to assume that this has to be the answer to my conundrum, mike.<br /><br />So, if I input birth data for births earlier than 1582 what will emerge has already been adjusted for calendar changes.<br /><br />But but but...I still have to change the year (+1) if the birth was before 25 March (depending on country of birth)- apparently that isn't converted automatically.<br /><br />Oh joy! Many thanks for helping my mists to clear...at least I think they have cleared. :-)<br /><br />Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-64071142730864190382015-03-06T11:57:24.834-06:002015-03-06T11:57:24.834-06:00One last stab! Think of this from a logical astro...One last stab! Think of this from a logical astrological viewpoint.<br /><br />Today's date, March 6th, has the Sun at 15* Pisces...March 15th, has the Sun at 24* Pisces. Your software calculates the date of March 15, 1475, as having the Sun at 3* Aries! So, we know that your software automatically adjusts for Julian DOBs. 3* Aries corresponds to a DOB about March 23, 2015. So, beware of DOBs pre October 5, 1582...they are automatically adjusted.mike (again)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-28120289006573144202015-03-06T11:34:28.696-06:002015-03-06T11:34:28.696-06:00I think I missed the boat in answering your quest,...I think I missed the boat in answering your quest, Twilight. I viewed the ephemeris provided by astro.com:<br />http://www.astro.com/swisseph/ae/1400/ae_1475.pdf<br /><br />And then found this:<br />"The program usually assumes Gregorian calendar dates. If a Julian calendar date is required, please, enter 'jul' after the year number, e.g. '1066 jul'. For most historical data before the year 1582 you will want to enter 'jul'.<br /><br />We have decided not to take care of the calendar switch by an automatic feature. Many history books have converted historical dates to the Gregorian system, while other sources have kept the dates in the original Julian system. There is no way for our computer to know what your source of the birth data did in regard to this calendar conversion."<br />http://www.astro.com/cgi/h.cgi?f=hade&h=ha4a<br /><br />You provide a natal chart for March 15, 1475, which is different. I suspect the issue may be with YOUR software's internal ephemerides and how it converts calendar types. If you have a "Help" menu, look at "Julian date" conversions...I bet it does the same as the Swiss Ephemerides provided by astro.com. In other words, if you want a natal chart for Michelangelo, you need to provide the Julian date March 6, 1475, as the adjustment has already been made from the Gregorian March 15, 1475 date.<br /><br />AstroDienst (astro.com) is apparently the provider of the digital ephemerides for most software.<br />http://www.astro.com/swisseph/swephinfo_e.htmmike (again)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-55202689267909189962015-03-06T10:59:15.086-06:002015-03-06T10:59:15.086-06:00I have never thought of measuring one's lifesp...I have never thought of measuring one's lifespan in terms of numbers of Popes outlived ...Vanilla Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07946634138308342764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-78015679581224121402015-03-06T10:43:48.676-06:002015-03-06T10:43:48.676-06:00A conundrum is what you get for thinking, Twilight...A conundrum is what you get for thinking, Twilight...LOL! astro.com doesn't specifically state their policy regarding Julian to Gregorian calendar changes, but astrotheme.com does:<br /><br />"The common practice is to use the Julian calendar until 4 October 1582. The day after this date is the day when the Vatican adopted the Gregorian calendar, 15 October 1582. We use the Gregorian calendar on Astrotheme. The chart, which is accurate in all cases, is computed for the actual date, which may not be the date displayed, if the country is not France, for instance."<br />http://www.astrotheme.com/files/julian_calendar_gregorian_calendar.php<br /><br />astro.com and astrotheme.com both display the same natal charts with Sagittarius rising, Moon in Pisces:<br />http://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Michelangelo<br /><br />So, you are correctly identifying Michelangelo's Gregorian birthday and these two websites calculate his chart with the Gregorian day you state, but identify his birthday with the Julian calendar date.mikenoreply@blogger.com