tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post3085724473717495444..comments2024-03-17T03:42:21.277-05:00Comments on LEARNING CURVE ON THE ECLIPTIC: Women in Charge: Comparing May and Thatcher Twilighthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-44191582053177845682016-07-10T12:10:53.099-05:002016-07-10T12:10:53.099-05:00Vanilla Rose ~ Yes, the gender thing gets in the ...Vanilla Rose ~ Yes, the gender thing gets in the way of common sense at times. <br /><br />I fear that the type of woman we'd love to have as PM or Prez, sadly would not wish to be a part of these unpleasant contests. The same kind of Catch 22 thing probably applies to males as well as females. Bernie Sanders and James Corbyn have tried their best...bless 'em!<br />Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-49242391331126270422016-07-10T06:12:54.800-05:002016-07-10T06:12:54.800-05:00I am truly disappointed that our 2nd female Prime ...I am truly disappointed that our 2nd female Prime Minister will be no more compassionate or wise than our first.<br /><br />A Canadian friend on twitter was bemoaning the fact that people were praising their PM for being pro-feminist. Why couldn't they actually get a woman PM?<br /><br />I said that, although I understood her point, most of my friends in the UK, USA and Australia would actually be fairly pleased to have Mr (Monsieur?) Trudeau in charge. <br /><br />Vanilla Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07946634138308342764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-91876710401836265582016-07-06T23:57:06.554-05:002016-07-06T23:57:06.554-05:00mike (again) ~ Mars and Pluto seem appropriate as...mike (again) ~ Mars and Pluto seem appropriate as her signature! <br /><br />One of her well-known quotes was "The lady's not for turning" when others tried to dissuade her from some course of action. Cardinal Sun, Fixed Moon and ascendant match that.Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-68780057186093287782016-07-06T20:33:50.903-05:002016-07-06T20:33:50.903-05:00Something I just realized about Thatcher's nat...Something I just realized about Thatcher's natal chart is she had no final dispositor(s), which is rare. This can make the individual operate like a chameleon or shape-shifter, with a multifaceted personality, particularly when considering transits to the chart. Astrologer Genevieve Vierling calls this a hidden committee:<br /><br />"A Final Dispositor shows a decided commander/CEO in your chart; Mutual Reception shows more of a Partnership/LLP; and the loops of three or more chains show a hidden Committee at work."<br />http://www.bluelightlady.com/blog/2014/02/whos-in-charge-of-your-chart/<br /><br />Thatcher's chart rulers, determined by her Scorpio Asc, were Mars and Pluto and were probably the most likely to have given her the iron-lady moniker with a steely personality...steel and iron are ruled by Mars...Pluto represents ruthless power.mike (again)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-83501350669150138032016-07-06T20:30:08.410-05:002016-07-06T20:30:08.410-05:00Sabina ~ Thanks for the links and observations - b...Sabina ~ Thanks for the links and observations - both links saved for close perusal in the morning.<br /><br />Progressions are not my thing, so I can't comment on that aspect. For me the natal chart is the blueprint and doesn't change, except as affected by transit (just my take on it, I could be wrong - nobody really knows). :-)<br /><br />Agreed on power being an aphrodisiac, for some - yes, indeed. Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-13015142387589399652016-07-06T14:50:11.315-05:002016-07-06T14:50:11.315-05:00Thinking of astrologically defining successful pol...Thinking of astrologically defining successful political leaders led me to the link below, which ends by stating,'The conclusion is that the zodiac signs cancer, leo and scorpio ascendant or moon sign show strong chances of political success.'<br /><br />http://www.astrocamp.com/who-can-be-politician-astrology.html<br /><br />(I surmise Donald Trump's progressed Sun would now be in Leo. In a piece about the 12th House, Chirotic Journal used the example of George Bush, Jr's prog Sun and his political rise, so, as usual, there's much more at play than the natal chart itself.)<br /><br />A rather good bit (part of a series) here about Mrs. Thatcher (and just a mention by me that some say power is the greatest aphrodisiac):<br /><br />http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/margaret-thatcher/margaret-thatcher-biography/11908076/margaret-thatcher-biography-woman-in-mans-world.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-84628917019526250052016-07-06T10:44:10.426-05:002016-07-06T10:44:10.426-05:00mike ~ I'm comparing two British women, one w...mike ~ I'm comparing two British women, one who rose to power and one likely to do so - how is that unfair? The post began with a remark from a writer about women leaders. I wanted to see whether there'd be any likeness in the charts of these two women. No point comparing them to charts of men in this context. I'm not trying to prove anything here, just being curious.<br /><br /><br />Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-1301164439378527292016-07-06T09:39:33.935-05:002016-07-06T09:39:33.935-05:00Your last paragraph regarding Hillary's climb ...Your last paragraph regarding Hillary's climb to the top under different circumstances might depend whether one believes in fate rather than astrology. Hillary's husband was her connection to the upper political echelon.<br /><br />It's impossible to determine how an individual will play-out their natal chart and, as discussed here many times, the environment lends a very large assist. Most of the charts of successful individuals that I've encountered typically have some frictional aspects and often contain a preponderance. Adversity can bring-out the best in a person over time, but usually with some quirks attached. Transits to those sharper angles and difficult transits to natal planets can induce a tremendous amount of change in an individual's life, for better or worse.<br /><br />I have worked with several individuals that were professional, pleasant, and seemingly "team players" when I first met them. They were promoted a couple of notches upward and their demeanor changed tremendously proportional to the elevation. They became much more corporate, wreaking of elite entitlement, as self-serving methods blended with the pressure of managerial functions pushed upon them from above. Morals and ethics are always in flux and are not resistant to rationalization and justification.<br /><br />It may be unfair to compare the charts of May, Thatcher, and Clinton without comparing them to male counterparts. The environment has traditionally determined the role of the gender, not the natal chart, and our current social and cultural traits of the first-world countries are allowing for more gender fluidity within roles.<br /><br />I've mentioned John Townley's notion that it's the (astrology of the) future that is always drawing us forward. That has a deterministic or predetermination implication to it, as we believe that the future is created by current actions, rather than the future creating the now. There is also the viewpoint of the collective creating the stage, with the main players fulfilling the requirements of the audience. Donald Trump is a prime example of that, with his previously failed attempts at POTUS-nominee, now finding resonance with a portion of the electorate.<br /><br />It's very easy to either favor or dislike the political elite, but we so often forget that they are merely representations of those that put them there. With that in mind, it may be best to view current astrological transits as being the largest factor toward elections. Anyone that has a natal chart resonant to those current transits stands a chance of victory...or their fate coalesces with the moment.mikenoreply@blogger.com