tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post2626664060312605958..comments2024-03-17T03:42:21.277-05:00Comments on LEARNING CURVE ON THE ECLIPTIC: Arty Farty Friday ~ Oskar KokoschkaTwilighthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-41032488446871323032013-03-03T09:54:08.639-06:002013-03-03T09:54:08.639-06:00mike ~~ Ah! Thanks, hadn't come across either...mike ~~ Ah! Thanks, hadn't come across either that piece or new of the movie. I'll look around for a cheapo VHS or DVD of it.<br /><br />Living through 2 World Wars, being seriously injured in one and having to flee from the other would also have affected this artist - as it did so many other painters, poets and writers. <br />Hard to imagine what it must have been like for people such as Kokoschka. Talk about PTSD !!<br /><br />Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-87478828955086809362013-03-02T20:17:14.291-06:002013-03-02T20:17:14.291-06:00I tried to find info about his childhood, but not ...I tried to find info about his childhood, but not much out there. I did find this tidbit:<br /><br />"Relatively little is actually known of Kokoschka's childhood and adolescence; the family was impoverished and moved frequently. He recalled, however, what he considered a traumatic experience, which presumably influenced his later unconscious fantasy life. He described accidentally witnessing the bloody birth of his younger brother; he felt this shock had permanently impaired his ability to get along with others (Weldon, 2007)."<br /><br />From http://www.readperiodicals.com/201101/2727860531.html<br /><br />You're a movie buff...Alma's story is "Bride of the Wind" on DVD!<br />http://www.blockbuster.com/browse/catalog/movieDetails/191877mike (again)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-77322620852970528972013-03-02T18:45:41.075-06:002013-03-02T18:45:41.075-06:00mike ~~ Nodes are a foggy part of astrology, I th...mike ~~ Nodes are a foggy part of astrology, I think. Some astrologers go overboard with 'em so much so that I eventually came to the conclusion that, to be on the safe side, the Nodes should be treated only as sensitive points in the chart, probably less important than ascendant and midheaven, but significant if touched by planets significant in that person's chart.<br />Your views are more easily accepted, though I'm still not totally convinced that Nodes are all THAT significant. It's hard to differentiate or identify which various traits and reactions relate to which part or element of the chart - all a bit nebulous.<br /><br />Progressions - I've never felt the validity of progressions.<br />It's possible to play around with a natal chart in so many ways as to "make anything mean anything" which is bad for astrology. So I decided to stick to simplicity. If the simple works - that's all I need to know. The deeper and more complex one tries to delve into it, the more chance of misunderstandings and a result of total fiction arises, in my opinion.<br />But what do I know? Not a lot!<br /><br />I'll fish out my old post on Nodes and re-post it updated a bit sometime next week.<br /><br />Thanks for all your input here - re Oskar Kokoschka. A bit of an oddity, and an enigma, I suspect he was....prone to excess and obsession. I wonder if he had Scorpio rising or Pluto on the ascendant? I have Pluto in 1st myself and in my youth could have been accused of being prone to obsession, though I never had a doll made - I promise! :-)Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-20132249519855207562013-03-02T10:06:17.032-06:002013-03-02T10:06:17.032-06:00mike ~ Will study your words later today - thank ...mike ~ Will study your words later today - thank you, lots to chew on! We'll be out for a few hours, gotta trot now.<br />:-)Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-32298807143295430592013-03-02T09:02:13.784-06:002013-03-02T09:02:13.784-06:00Your Saturn semi-sextile South Node is the same as...Your Saturn semi-sextile South Node is the same as Saturn quincunx North Node. This indicates to me that your South Node is the easier flow of your Saturn...getting hung-up on South Node patterns would enhance the Uranus-South Node conjunction, at the detriment of North Node direction. South Node is typically viewed as habituation of inherent, subconscious patterns that we have a tendency to re-live over and over, because it's so familiar to our essence. With Saturn's presence, you will have more difficult lessons, but those very lessons can more quickly free you, too...the repercussions are greater.<br /><br />Reading about the Nodes would make one think that North is positive and where we need to strive, South is negative and what needs to be left behind for progress. I can't argue that, but I view it as more complex. It's entirely possible to effectively acknowledge and participate in the South Node...even indulge in the South Node. Whatever we can constructively pursue with the South Node, we have likewise done the same for the North Node, without really addressing the North Node...they are polar reflections.<br /><br />We tend to learn from pain and suffering and the South Node is usually that sweet spot. It's the cookie jar with the mouse trap in it, and we never remember the mouse trap each time we open the jar...but it can be done with constant mental awareness and approach to overcome the self-inflicted repercussions. Pain does wonders!<br /><br />Kokoschka's chart has Mercury on his South Node...Mercury is conjunct Sun by five degrees, so I would say his Sun is drawn into the South Node via Mercury. All this is opposed his North Node conjunct Mars. Don't know what houses are involved, because of noon chart. Kokoschka probably presented a strong ego as a cover, perhaps arrogant in his expression...he lacked vitality and the male force and perhaps made-up for it through his Sun-Mercury-S Node perception of self (over inflated self-awareness)...depression is usually a result of too much self-focus. His art allowed him to express his aggressive views in a fashion that was non-confrontational...he did it for himself, then presented it to the world. Your Alma Mater (!) doll would have been that same in-your-face quiet aggression. His lesson, in my opinion, was to instill life-force vitality, assert or comprehend masculinity, and communicate in direct fashion...with emphasis on the house placements.<br /><br />If you should believe in Progressed charts, his fourth, fifth, and sixth years of life would have been fraught with some of the same attributes of the above paragraph, perhaps in a violent, raging, or shocking fashion. His progressed Sun and Moon would have conjuncted his Mercury-node at the same time as a solar eclipse...all opposed Mars-node. Father, males, masculinity vs ego, self, communication.mike (again)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-56350643588327863182013-03-02T00:07:56.715-06:002013-03-02T00:07:56.715-06:00mike ~~ Thanks for that - hmmmm - 2nd one doesn&#...mike ~~ Thanks for that - hmmmm - 2nd one doesn't sound a lot like me; first one slightly, but I'm hardly highly disruptive!<br /><br />Closest aspect would be Saturn in Aries 1 degree off exact semi-sextile. Jupiter and Sun in Pisces and Aquarius respectively are 7 degrees off aspect so I'd not count those, not regarding Nodes anyway.<br /><br />Only thing I've noted about Node position for me is that I've experienced changes in life pattern at the full cycle and half cycle points (also the Vertex cycle). I did a post about it in detail some years ago - will try to find it later.Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-31749334443222421682013-03-01T19:52:24.837-06:002013-03-01T19:52:24.837-06:00Alma Mater! LOL
The nodes travel about 0.05 degr...Alma Mater! LOL<br /><br />The nodes travel about 0.05 degrees per day...however...they have a retrograde-forward movement due to a minor wobble. Some days they move forward faster, then retrograde. This is why "true node" or "mean node" is provided in ephemera. Their rate of transit is so slow that, yes, you can definitely use their position in a noon-chart. It takes about 18 months for the nodes to transit 30 degrees (one sign)...about 18.5 years to transit the entire 12 signs, 360 degrees. The nodes net movement is always retrograde...moving through the signs backward.<br /><br />I'll let you determine whether you're stuck in eccentricity! Eccentricity isn't a bad thing, but I'm fairly eccentric, so maybe not the best judge. Are other planets in aspect to node-Uranus? <br /><br />Excerpt from<br />http://astrology-life.webs.com/<br />"Uranus conjunct South Node: eccentric, placing environment under high voltage, highly disruptive, of original nature and strong connection with 'intuitive knowledge' to social/collective improvements."<br /><br />Excerpt from<br />http://www.lunarliving.org/astrology/nodes-ofthe-moon-featured.html<br />"Uranus conjunct South Node: This individual is likely to feel threatened in regards to their own originality or individuality. They may squelch their rebellious urges or overdo them. They experience a push and pull between dependency and independence, between home and the wider world or between family and friends. Learning to have emotional ties without possessiveness and to make open-ended commitments is key to this person's development."mike (again)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-4475505685293853982013-03-01T14:41:19.848-06:002013-03-01T14:41:19.848-06:00mike ~~ His Alma doll gave a whole new meaning to ...mike ~~ His Alma doll gave a whole new meaning to Alma Mater! <br /><br />I like the <i>Bride of the Wind</i> painting best - love the colours.<br />I concentrated on showing the wartime paintings here as I thought it was interesting to see the way he had chosen to depict situations symbolically. Most of his portraits and landscapes are pleasant enough, but nothing memorable - for me anyway.<br /><br />Hmmm- Moon's nodes are interesting, but I'm never sure that without time of day they'll be shown correctly for the individual in a 12 noon chart (do you know?)<br /><br />I have Uranus exactly conjunct South node - how about that - am I stuck in eccentricity? LOL! ;-)Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-7417387473825442062013-03-01T14:08:23.083-06:002013-03-01T14:08:23.083-06:00I'm sure Oskar Kokoschka would have made an in...I'm sure Oskar Kokoschka would have made an interesting neighbor! His Alma surrogate doll would have been a conversation starter.<br /><br />It has been my experience that individuals that have planets close to the Moon's nodes tend to have peculiarities about their personality. South node seems to present difficulties with becoming stuck and not moving beyond situations with the energy representation of the particular conjunct planet. North node presents situations just beyond reach. Both of his nodes have active conjunctions. He was born just days prior to the annular solar eclipse March 5, 1886, which makes his node conjunctions more energized than usual.<br /><br />I like his "The Duomo, Florence", as it's the most straight-forward, non-politicizing painting of the ones you show here...a little nervous, but I like the colors he selected.mikenoreply@blogger.com