tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post2540318367928427522..comments2024-03-17T03:42:21.277-05:00Comments on LEARNING CURVE ON THE ECLIPTIC: Mini Rant and More Thoughts on ScotlandTwilighthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-47901755198939972782014-09-17T14:21:00.532-05:002014-09-17T14:21:00.532-05:00LB ~ Or, at least, humans when online! As we'v...LB ~ Or, at least, humans when online! As we've said before, commenters online will write in a vein, and use language, they'd never use in person, looking the other party in the eye.<br /><br />I can understand hot-tempered attitudes when an issue trikes at a person's own well-being in some way, but on an issue such as this, people in the USA (or most of them anyway) have no idea what "the English" are like - or "the Scottish", and the outcome of this issue will have no impact on them at all. Because their grandfather 6 times removed came from Perth they consider themselves qualified to pontificate upon the evils of the British Empire etc etc etc. LOL! It's funny in some ways, but extremely irritating at the same time.<br /><br />A blogger who actually lives in Scotland has just commented on my earlier post on this topic, and says that the atmosphere there is quite friendly, almost festive between both "Yes" and "No" voters. <br /><br />John Oliver's piece on this topic, from his Sunday show, is good - here's a link to the video:<br /><br />http://youtu.be/-YkLPxQp_y0<br /><br /> <br /><br />Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-6448081319771840002014-09-17T13:54:45.284-05:002014-09-17T13:54:45.284-05:00That's humans for you! Reading the sometimes ...That's humans for you! Reading the sometimes vitriolic comments directed at fellow human beings on sites like Common Dreams, Truthdig, and even some spiritual/astrological sites (left by those who probably see themselves as instruments of social justice and/or *enlightenment*) says it all. <br /><br />Whether we realize it or not, most of us do it, often because we want to fit in with the social and cultural values of our chosen group or tribe. Whatever we believe, I think it's part of our *spiritual* challenge not to dehumanize "the other". <br /><br />Martin Buber described these forms of relating and our choices in relationship as "I-It" and "I-Thou". Probably an oversimplification, but it fits!LBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-3992001925577161702014-09-17T12:35:09.079-05:002014-09-17T12:35:09.079-05:00James ~ Thanks in advance if you do. :-)James ~ Thanks in advance if you do. :-)Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-2283647358858775032014-09-17T12:34:32.567-05:002014-09-17T12:34:32.567-05:00Sonny ~ LOL! There are one or two Republicans who...Sonny ~ LOL! There are one or two Republicans who deserve a reprieve from that boiling cauldron though. <br />I rather liked John Huntsman - he seemed like one of the sane and more empathetic variety, but one of the few. And I could never bring myself to throw Clint Eastwood into the cauldron.<br />;-)<br />Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-32425245623798124542014-09-17T11:30:32.860-05:002014-09-17T11:30:32.860-05:00Must link to this now in the post coming up [can&#...Must link to this now in the post coming up [can't remember - think it's tomorrow morning].James Highamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14525082702330365464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-35400229059405694592014-09-17T10:10:27.935-05:002014-09-17T10:10:27.935-05:00I try to speak my racism , individual by individua...<br /> I try to speak my racism , individual by individual.. well ok,, except for republicans lol.. those get thrown into one pot and boiled in oil with a tablespoon or 3 xxpoisen...<br /> as for other countries,, good grief,, we have all we can do to have any hope of cleaning up our own mess , much less commenting about how others govern or the choices they make.. <br /><br /> my Nana told me to clean my own house till it was immaculate inside and out before I started mouthing off about someone else's Home..<br /><br /> well except for the republican homes:-)<br /><br /> good luck to them~!Sonny Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06926830309207639536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-11762049016632278652014-09-17T09:35:22.118-05:002014-09-17T09:35:22.118-05:00mike ~ I knew you'd say that! I do have more ...mike ~ I knew you'd say that! I do have more right than most though - I did fight my way to being a US citizen, and have 10 years of experience here AND 60+ of life in England. I know of that which I rant, moreso than people like the racist (yes it is!) commenter I quoted.<br /><br />I hope that I never have condemned a whole population as that commenter does, I try always to qualify remarks with "some" or "certain factions" or "in certain areas".<br />Generalisation irks me in this as in astrology with the he "a Taurus" she's "an Aquarius" stuff.<br /><br />I stand by what I've said above, and whatever I've said in the past.<br />:-/<br /><br />Those who have expressed wishes wish to secede from the Union of states here have been mainly Republican majority states, I think. In Britain it's the opposite. Scotland's main reason for wishing to break away, I believe, is the conservative policies of the UK government. Many, many English people feel the same about those policies. fighting against them together ought to be a better plan.<br />Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-86543878839791792812014-09-17T09:24:09.780-05:002014-09-17T09:24:09.780-05:00mittens ~ Hi there!
Yes, whichever way the vote g...mittens ~ Hi there! <br />Yes, whichever way the vote goes, things will never be the same. Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-43895326365439512962014-09-17T09:13:41.441-05:002014-09-17T09:13:41.441-05:00P.S. - There are similarities of the Scottish unre...P.S. - There are similarities of the Scottish unrest here in the USA. Many states have declared federal over-reach and desire more autonomy and down-sizing of government, particularly the Libertarian and Tea Party, with the Republicans not far behind. Many municipalities are not desiring to be compliant to state laws and regulations. Many individuals feel that all governing agencies, local to federal, have gone too far. Various groups, whether racial,religious, business or otherwise, want their agendas enacted.mike (again)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-87253692943177468442014-09-17T08:53:22.837-05:002014-09-17T08:53:22.837-05:00I wouldn't describe the pejoratives as racism,...I wouldn't describe the pejoratives as racism, but as nationalism. I've read denigrations about us Americans from the British (some right here on your blog...LOL) and about the British from the Americans. It's the same distinction placed on rival high school sports' teams or other competitions-comparisons.<br /><br />I do think that the USA (and world) has a stake in how the secession of Scotland takes place. This has the potential to weaken or strengthen the Eurozone nations and the financial interplay, as the UK financial sector has already declared its loyalty, which can only rub more salt into the cut. It has implications for other UK secession, such as Wales and British holdings. Whether Scotland leaves or stays, many concessions and punishments are being discussed toward either outcome. This will not have a happy ending...it's the beginning of something, though.<br /><br />It's an allegory for what awaits the Eurozone in 2017.mikenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-20642099724608513732014-09-17T08:07:33.803-05:002014-09-17T08:07:33.803-05:00and maybe it's just time for Scotland to becom...and maybe it's just time for Scotland to become its own entity.<br /> I am totally embarrassed by the stupidity of fellow Americans who havent a clue about Britain, Scotland, or the kinds of governments they have. It's none of our business. <br /><br />Schisms, revolutions (bloody or peaceful), divorces, and independence are all apt to be messy, expensive, painful as a snap on the nose, and it sometimes takes years to settle down afterwards. <br /><br /> I wish you all well over there, and hope that whatever occurs, occurs well. Peace.mittenshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04878611591683283429noreply@blogger.com