tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post178691564202232196..comments2024-03-17T03:42:21.277-05:00Comments on LEARNING CURVE ON THE ECLIPTIC: HUMANS : RISEN APES of PLANET EARTHTwilighthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-84221093494660603162012-04-17T08:37:26.386-05:002012-04-17T08:37:26.386-05:00James Higham ~~ as often happens, I don't quit...James Higham ~~ as often happens, I don't quite understand you. ;-)<br /><br />Maybe you're referring to the David Icke idea of reptilian entities in charge of us all. I don't go along with that unless used as a metaphor.<br /><br />I go the way of simplicity - life arose from an accident of Nature, involving the ingredient mix and conditions present at a certain time on this particular planet. The original spark of life evolved, slowly to our eye but fairly quickly in the grand scheme of things to become, via fish, birds, apes etc etc US, and we embody all the elements of good and bad that our mix of ingredients can bring forth.<br /><br />Intellectuals have struggled over centuries to make sense, make excuses, find reason....I believe there is no reason, no divinity, no grand plan by any creator, no reason or plan other than those we construct for ourselves or are constructed for us by those with an over-abundance of certain ingredients in their mix.Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-26895250336120339832012-04-17T07:39:39.134-05:002012-04-17T07:39:39.134-05:00If you reverse the gnostic conception of whom the ...If you reverse the gnostic conception of whom the enemy is and look at the ones who are real enemy, then "human" is hardly an apt description of that species.James Highamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14525082702330365464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-77241772001016507432012-04-16T08:22:34.474-05:002012-04-16T08:22:34.474-05:00RJ Adams ~~ As so often you do, RJ, you hit the na...RJ Adams ~~ As so often you do, RJ, you hit the nail on the head exactly.<br /><br />At least now, I know I'm not going right off my rocker with these dark thoughts. (That had crossed my mind!) :-)Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-29516460536515850432012-04-15T21:40:32.227-05:002012-04-15T21:40:32.227-05:00There are at least three of us who feel similarly ...There are at least three of us who feel similarly about humankind. When I watch the US news media telling of the glories of its military achievements (or not, as the case may be), and finally ending the program with some individual 'do-gooder' from an insignificant small town 'making a difference', I see a metaphor for the human race. The mass of humanity is fighting itself, while dotted here and there are lone individuals desperately trying to make a difference, and doomed to failure.<br />As a species we are so obsessed with our own selfish power struggles that we're oblivious to our planet's reaction to its abuse.<br />We can go on patting ourselves on the back and believing we are the pinnacle of creation, right up to the moment of our extinction.R J Adamshttp://sparrowchat.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-2530465670960774992012-04-15T18:33:23.021-05:002012-04-15T18:33:23.021-05:00MamdyM ~~ Thank you for that, Mandy. Your thought...MamdyM ~~ Thank you for that, Mandy. Your thoughts are much appreciated and the wisdom in them is gladly acknowledged. Perhaps my calling it an evil core is a bit excessive. That there's a good helping of evil in our mix is possibly nearer to the truth.<br /><br />What's important, I think, is that we keep in mind, always, how easy it can be to slip from the goodness (or as you term it Divine) mode into the darker side (when I say we I don't mean you and I or any individual) we as humans. This was brought home to me so clearly watching Holocaust (the TV series). How formerly sane-seeming Germans could transition into either hell-hounds as evil as they come, or everyday people apparently unaware and didn't want to be aware of the evil around them. That's the danger of kidding ourselves we are not really that bad. We can be -any of us. <br /><br />Wonderful poem!Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-40450224164880511102012-04-15T17:01:56.881-05:002012-04-15T17:01:56.881-05:00Twilight: I have been where you are so, so many t...Twilight: I have been where you are so, so many times. This Scorpion acknowledges and faces the dark and it does seem hopeless and overwhelming. But I do not believe that we are evil at the core. We are Divine at the core, and it takes hard work to dig through the evil to find it. I wrote a poem many years ago, as I was beginning to look at my own darkness, which describes the core:<br /><br />A monster lies in wait in me<br />A stew of pain and misery<br />But fiercer still, in life and limb<br />Is ME who lies in wait in him<br /><br />I do believe that there is a growing number who are realizing this for themselves, for all of us.MandyMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-21250419941667559522012-04-15T10:00:26.685-05:002012-04-15T10:00:26.685-05:00Wisewebwoman ~~ Thanks WWW - glad I'm not alo...Wisewebwoman ~~ Thanks WWW - glad I'm not alone in my, rather dismal, thoughts.<br /><br />Titanic - yes, I hadn't realised it's the 100th anniversary of the disaster 'til now. I thought the hoo-ha about the movie being shown in 3D etc. was just another money-making effort. There wasn't much romantic about the real thing - The thought of ever being on a cruise ship (or any ship) fills me with horror, for several reasons, titanic is one of 'em.Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-83283193966365858482012-04-15T00:16:17.215-05:002012-04-15T00:16:17.215-05:00Excellent post, T. Yes I believe as you do. Intere...Excellent post, T. Yes I believe as you do. Interestingly this week is the Titanic week and the hoopla is astonishing around the so called 'romantic' notion of the catastrophe and ignoring the dark side. Isn't that what we do?<br />XO<br />WWWWisewebwomanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15281689872840844191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-35112302035241296892012-04-14T11:58:05.867-05:002012-04-14T11:58:05.867-05:00Gian Paul ~~ I am inclined to dwell on the dark si...Gian Paul ~~ I am inclined to dwell on the dark side because it's there GP, and no amount of excuses or apologies will take it away.<br /><br />The pendulum didn't swing very far back for long - did it? Taking the whole world into consideration, it didn't. as I mentioned, look at Sudan, Congo, Tibet - the horrors there and in many other countries still continuing.<br /><br />Look at today - the USA - sending drones to kill innocent civilians....at the hands of those who like to pat themselves on the back for their progress and brilliance.<br /><br />I'm sorry, but watching <i> Holocaust</i> re-opened my eyes to much more than the horrors of World War 2.<br /><br />There have always been horrors since Day One, because of our core, inherited from our place in the universe and the stardust which spawned us - there always will be horrors. <br /><br />There are lots of people emphasising the positive, so many in fact that we tend to forget the rest of the story.Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-68111497064288855812012-04-14T11:47:17.715-05:002012-04-14T11:47:17.715-05:00Kaleymorris ~~ This isn't about individuals th...Kaleymorris ~~ This isn't about individuals though, it's about the species as a whole. It's about the impression some alien race might perceive if viewing events from the dawn of man on Earth 'til now in fast succession - in the manner of one of those old books where you could fan the pages with your thumb and watch the pictures move.<br /><br />An overall impression perceived would have to be negative.<br /><br />I think we must own this, accept it. <br /><br />Thanks for the link. Interesting - but he's really just patting himself, and the species, on the back. We can't do this without owning the other, dark side of our nature.Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-3348274576369853682012-04-14T10:22:01.361-05:002012-04-14T10:22:01.361-05:00GP: Twilight, I wonder, why, having all the stars ...GP: Twilight, I wonder, why, having all the stars at your disposal to understand 'better', why dwell on the dark side of humanity?<br /><br />Even terrible events like the Holocaust contain a 'positive side of the coin': Human consciousness of what can happen, when blindly following fanatics, was in fact enhanced by the Holocaust. At a terrible price for many Jews. But the pendulum having swung so far, something for sure changed in this inperfect world. And this, we hope, will continue. Very slowly, but all the time.<br /><br />We have no idea, living today, what horors there were e.g. under the Roman Empire (for all non-Romans), during the Middle Ages, the Inquisition (especially here in Latin America), etc.<br /><br />Something, imperceptively for most, is improving. When RR called Gorbatchev to 'pull down that wall', I thought we had some progress. But these events only happen sparcely. So we tend to forget that there are positive forces at work as well.Gian Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15986251626366749414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-81661720765763357442012-04-14T09:04:42.467-05:002012-04-14T09:04:42.467-05:00Well! I believe I've just been insulted!
Rotte...Well! I believe I've just been insulted!<br />Rotten to the core? All of us? I don't know.<br /><br />This made me think of a video I saw recently. A little off topic ...<br />Forgive me if I've already shared it with you.<br />http://youtu.be/O1nSuWztIrYKaleymorrisnoreply@blogger.com