tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post1733571610826846366..comments2024-03-17T03:42:21.277-05:00Comments on LEARNING CURVE ON THE ECLIPTIC: MAYA - ALL ILLUSION?Twilighthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-33562115681110389202010-07-29T09:00:25.573-05:002010-07-29T09:00:25.573-05:00gian paul ~~~ Antoine was connected to the Et Moi ...gian paul ~~~ Antoine was connected to the Et Moi song in a way though - apparently Dutronc wrote it as a kind of spoof song referring to one of Antoine's "hits", so the song Et Moi Et Moi Et Moi wouldn't have existed without Antoine.<br />:-)<br /><br />Oh - the people of China, waves, souls, reincarnation!<br /><br />Yes I remember many decades ago people used to say that China was the country that'd rule the world one day. The "Yellow Peril" was a rather nasty way of expressing it though, to our now more PC trained ears.<br /><br />Any Chinese I've met (not many) always seemed kindly, mild characters, not aggressive at all. <br />The stereotypes in the UK and USA run laundries, restaurants, are keen gamblers (odd!), and are quite petite physically. Not sure I see them as "taking over the world" any time soon, except perhaps through $$$$$$$$$$$$.<br /><br />I'm cynical about souls and reincarnation. I think perhaps these are fables invented to make us feel better about life and death - wanting to persuade us that this isn't all there is. I think that it is all there is, and why worry about it?<br /><br />:-)Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-79280050475549199792010-07-29T02:11:40.820-05:002010-07-29T02:11:40.820-05:00How many more Chinese will there be? I vaguely rem...How many more Chinese will there be? I vaguely remembered that song, even wrongly thought it was by Antoine. The melody is still fresh in my mind.<br /><br />Thanks (also for whom does not speak French) for your corrections, Twilight.<br /><br />On the number of Chinese: when they were "only" 700 million, in the 60's, the "péril jaune" (yellow threat) was real, kind of "Nostradamic" or atavistic in Europe. Today they have almost doubled that figure and the "commercial global machine" hopes that they will again start having many more children than just one per family.<br /><br />Only in China, it seams, such huge experiments in the human laboratory appear to be possible. <br /><br />But talking of individuals as waves on the ocean, there are less and many more at times. Even with no end...<br /><br />PS. Question for the "reincarnationists": if there are growing numbers of people being born, where do the necessary souls come from? Is there a buffer-stock? But then that stock would have to be considerable as humans must have multiplied by over a 100 times in the Christian Era alone.<br /><br />Or possibly the speed in soul-rotation can be increased, to make up for increasing numbers.<br /><br />Or souls may go from one galaxy to another.<br /><br />Or souls can be fractioned into ever smaller bits. Until reaching "atomic powdering".<br /><br />This becomes like counting the waves!gian paulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-33060849214919189282010-07-28T16:43:52.711-05:002010-07-28T16:43:52.711-05:00gian paul ~~ I see it on YouTube - by another Fren...gian paul ~~ I see it on YouTube - by another French singer, Jacques Dutronc <i> Et moi, et moi et moi</i><br />first verse - of many: I found a translation for any passing reader who might be interested and not into French<br /><i><br />Jacques Dutronc<br />ET MOI, ET MOI, ET MOI<br /><br />And I and I and I (or and me and me and me ?)<br /><br />Sept cent millions de chinois<br />Seven hundred millions of Chinese<br /><br />Et moi, et moi, et moi<br />and I and I and I<br /><br />Avec ma vie, mon petit chez-moi<br />With my life, my little house<br /><br />Mon mal de tête, mon psi<br />With my headache,my mind<br /><br />J'y pense et puis j'oublie<br />I am thinking about it and then I forget it<br /><br />C'est la vie, c'est la vie<br />That's life,that's life.........</i><br /><br />Yep - that's life alright!<br />:-)Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-17065012600711267042010-07-28T15:39:51.253-05:002010-07-28T15:39:51.253-05:00There was a song by French Antoine, contemporary o...There was a song by French Antoine, contemporary of the Beatles: "Et moi et moi? Et 1 milliard de Chinois!gian paulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-53892351029714119492010-07-28T14:51:11.211-05:002010-07-28T14:51:11.211-05:00gian paul ~~~ "Where is you/me"
Still pa...gian paul ~~~ "Where is you/me"<br />Still part of the whole I guess, but without individual identity?Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-38410066218462168922010-07-28T14:20:46.047-05:002010-07-28T14:20:46.047-05:00I do have a western mind too - and stobern at time...I do have a western mind too - and stobern at times. Imagine that you were a wave of the ocean, among all other waves. Being made of water, the same water as the other waves or the entire ocean. <br /><br />From the moment you "cease to be a wave" (either you landed on shore or the ocean went completely calm) where is "you"?gian paulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-148705821028476992010-07-28T12:08:04.299-05:002010-07-28T12:08:04.299-05:00gian paul
Hmmm - I see - I think: trying to get my...gian paul<br />Hmmm - I see - I think: trying to get my western head around eastern concepts. Thanks for the further clarification. :-)Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-28742118243950333742010-07-28T09:33:18.001-05:002010-07-28T09:33:18.001-05:00I repeat my understanding that Maya is not the ill...I repeat my understanding that Maya is not the illusion - but creates illusions. All, modern publicity, most of religious beliefs, much of science (!) - one has to think of all the errors occurring in medicine, i.e. how many cures turn out to be almost the contrary of what they claimed to be? And medicaments with nil effect, even not as good as a placebo?<br /><br />The list is long. At the top there is probably what the Hindus and Buddha himself were referring to by saying that "all except the center is not that" - neti in Sanskrit.gian paulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-35456255460468124722010-07-28T09:02:35.674-05:002010-07-28T09:02:35.674-05:00gian paul ~~ Ah yes - there are many, many ways of...gian paul ~~ Ah yes - there are many, many ways of creating illusions for others, sometimes also known as brainwashing or mind control. Scary stuff, which I think goes on quite a lot these days, the practice being supposedly unknown to the "victims".<br /><br />In that way, yes parts of life can be an illusion. Love, religion, politics - even astrology can all, in some circumstances, be illusional, with help from an outside source. <br /><br />But is Maya THAT kind of illusion, or something more all-encompassing I wonder?<br />:-)Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-35779955209279415632010-07-27T12:55:52.636-05:002010-07-27T12:55:52.636-05:00If children adore assisting to a show by a good ma...If children adore assisting to a show by a good magician, most adults do so as well. It's probably because for children a magician is an extension of their childhood "reality". <br /><br />Adults may wish to spend a moment of illusion which, as it is produced by the magician, is therefore something paradoxically true, a "declared illusion". Plato's analogy of the Cavern is in contrast a tragic description of the way humans mostly spend their lives.<br /><br />And they seem to demand more of it, every day. How else could Holly (-and Bolly-) wood be doing so well?<br /><br />And most of commerce etc. - where all is driven by publicity and similar mind-bending techniques!gian paulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-8180020357794688992010-07-27T10:30:23.190-05:002010-07-27T10:30:23.190-05:00I haven't been able to come to any conclusion ...I haven't been able to come to any conclusion about Maya, life and illusion. If life IS an illusion, we don't have much choice but to take part in it, whereas most other illusions are voluntarily entered into.....I think.<br /><br />Maybe the word "illusion" is misleading, or the way it has now come to be used. Maybe there'd be a better word to use in this context. <br /><br />Life is certainly transient - unlike the rocks beneath our feet.<br /><br /><br />hmmmmm - It's another <i>don't know</i> for me then gian Paul - but a thought provoking piece!Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.com