tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post144414471170959006..comments2024-03-17T03:42:21.277-05:00Comments on LEARNING CURVE ON THE ECLIPTIC: Sensitive ?Twilighthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-65652321208168593612015-07-21T21:11:01.896-05:002015-07-21T21:11:01.896-05:00Twilight ~ I understand how you feel, having my ow...Twilight ~ I understand how you feel, having my own Aquarius and Aries bits. I'm a work in progress. <br /><br />Are you sure I'm not on your couch?:)<br /><br />*******<br /><br />mike ~ It's pretty easy to spot the ways in which most of us project. Pretty scary too. Just turn on the news.LBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-90436402318294562482015-07-21T20:05:30.030-05:002015-07-21T20:05:30.030-05:00I'll back you on the projection issue, LB. Be...I'll back you on the projection issue, LB. Being judgmental may be a variant, as Twilight suggests, but certainly not the same in my mind. I've often thought that it's a good thing that none of us mortals are gods, as we would have long ago destroyed everything on Earth dealing with internal anger issues that we toss out to the world. Angry motorists come to my mind...those that are willing to kill the other driver after they have been cut-off. A bad day at work or with the kids can be detrimental to the innocents we encounter...LOL. Nurse Ratched in "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" is a good example, too.<br /><br />From Wiki:<br />"Blaming the victim: The victim of someone else's accident or bad luck may be offered criticism, the theory being that the victim may be at fault for having attracted the other person's hostility.<br /><br />Projection of marital guilt: Thoughts of infidelity to a partner may be unconsciously projected in self-defence on to the partner in question, so that the guilt attached to the thoughts can be repudiated or turned to blame instead, in a process linked to denial.<br /><br />Bullying: A bully may project his/her own feelings of vulnerability onto the target(s) of the bullying activity. Despite the fact that a bully's typically denigrating activities are aimed at the bully's targets, the true source of such negativity is ultimately almost always found in the bully's own sense of personal insecurity and/or vulnerability. Such aggressive projections of displaced negative emotions can occur anywhere from the micro-level of interpersonal relationships, all the way up through to the macro-level of international politics, or even international armed conflict.<br /><br />Projection of general guilt: Projection of a severe conscience[26] is another form of defense, one which may be linked to the making of false accusations, personal or political.<br /><br />Projection of hope: Also, in a more positive light, a patient may sometimes project his or her feelings of hope onto the therapist."<br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projectionmike (again)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-66878549025299215702015-07-21T17:54:41.452-05:002015-07-21T17:54:41.452-05:00LB ~ I'll jump onto your couch for a mo then ...LB ~ I'll jump onto your couch for a mo then :-)<br /><br />I don't ever belittle anyone else's sensitiveness - only my own - I acknowledge it fully but my Aquarius and Aries bits find it illogical and unhelpful in certain circumstances. It can still win the fight though - often - and helps me to understand when the same thing happens to others who might be fighting the same fight within themselves.<br /><br />As for projection - I really cannot relate to that term at all. Maybe being judgmental is a kind of projection, and I can be that, unless I check myself. <br /><br />Jumping off the couch now! Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-42243876363113107452015-07-21T17:09:58.727-05:002015-07-21T17:09:58.727-05:00When I was a kid, I remember chastising my younger...When I was a kid, I remember chastising my younger brother for crying when I made him wait outside for me while I (briefly) visited a neighborhood friend.<br /><br />I still remember his sweet face, lips quivering as he stood there all alone, frightened out of his mind. We grew up surrounded by predators and bullies, so he had good reason to be scared. I was scared too and immediately felt remorseful, ashamed of myself for not being more protective and loving. <br /><br />Even then I recognized what I was doing (on some level at least), without having ever been exposed to sophisticated psychological theories ~ or the word projection. I was young (maybe 10 years old?), but not too young to understand what was really happening.<br /><br />We tend to repress, reject, belittle or dismiss what we don't like or can't acknowledge in ourselves. Sometimes because someone (maybe a beloved parent or authority figure) did the same thing to us as a child.LBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-58116626372331457772015-07-21T16:39:54.265-05:002015-07-21T16:39:54.265-05:00LB ~ Getting too deep for me there LB! I'm ...LB ~ Getting too deep for me there LB! I'm not into projection - don't believe in it.Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-81945430041809892152015-07-21T16:38:43.630-05:002015-07-21T16:38:43.630-05:00mike ~ Lol...I know...I started on this track by ...mike ~ Lol...I know...I started on this track by wondering why C.E.O. Carter had headed his section "sensitiveness" rather than sensitivity - which I had initially thought was a better term - then I got to wondering if there was a subtle difference in the two "states". I guess everyone has their own interpretation of them whatever dictionaries tell us. I'm probably arguing with myself here. :-) I still think there is a subtle difference, and maybe Mr Carter did too.Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-81064631717651984612015-07-21T14:27:10.747-05:002015-07-21T14:27:10.747-05:00mike ~ Nope, didn't feel it (unusual for me) a...mike ~ Nope, didn't feel it (unusual for me) and hadn't even heard about it! Yesterday was hot and humid, not much wind, overcast later in the day ~ what *I've* always considered 'earthquake weather'.<br /><br />A few months ago, I got into a lengthy discussion with a restaurant owner about the meat he uses. In spite of evidence to the contrary (which I shared with him), he continues to believe the dead cows he serves were raised humanely, organically and using GMO-free feed. The company's website is very misleading, though when asked about it on Facebook, they did admit there are no prohibitions against individual farmers using GMO feed. <br /><br />It takes a lot of digging to get to the truth. And even then, I'm not always so sure. In addition to investigating online, I sometimes email companies with specific questions or concerns. Sometimes they respond and sometimes they don't.<br /><br />*******<br /><br />Twilight ~ Just a thought, but when we reject our own sensitivity (or whatever word you use) we're more likely to 'project' it onto others as shadow material. It also makes it harder to empathize and relate to shared vulnerabilities, which, as you said, is one of the gifts of sensitivity.LBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-78160679467731430792015-07-21T13:41:31.070-05:002015-07-21T13:41:31.070-05:00I'm still lost...LOL!
Sensitiveness - the sta...I'm still lost...LOL!<br /><br />Sensitiveness - the state or quality of being sensitive (dictionary.reference.com).<br /><br />Suffix -ness - "a native English suffix attached to adjectives and participles, forming abstract nouns denoting quality and state (and often, by extension, something exemplifying a quality or state):<br />darkness; goodness; kindness; obligingness; preparedness."<br />http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/-ness<br />mike (again)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-72621867679788343662015-07-21T13:38:43.164-05:002015-07-21T13:38:43.164-05:00LB ~ Yes, sensitiveness and sensitivity can cover ...LB ~ Yes, sensitiveness and sensitivity can cover a lot of different areas of life, and in both positive and negative guises. <br /><br />Personally, I see my own <b>sensitiveness</b> as negative - I get on my own nerves at times (but that's from opposing astro-factors I suppose). But I see what I think of as my own <b>sensitivity</b> as positive - being aware (or at least supposing that I'm aware - can never be certain) of another person's feelings - etc.<br />Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-59284633208050542562015-07-21T13:34:10.493-05:002015-07-21T13:34:10.493-05:00LB - Last comment is for Twilight, but appropriate...LB - Last comment is for Twilight, but appropriate for all! Yes, HR 1599 is important, but don't forget HR 913. HR 913 counters HR 1599. HR 1599 is primarily anti-GMO labeling, but extends to all labeling, too. It also allows for GMO-fed meat, eggs, milk to be sold as non-GMO. Organic and non-organic produce crops using GMO mulch (alfalfa) will not have to disclose. I can't remember other implications, but a little internet searching will provide those articles. If HR 1599 passes, it will have far-reaching effects.<br /><br />I saw that San Fran had a 4.0 this morning. Did you feel it, LB? I went through the Northridge earthquake back in January, 1994, and it was something else, though I was several miles from the epicenter. I was literally thrown out of my bed.<br /><br />mike (again)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-76938747545427110182015-07-21T13:31:45.045-05:002015-07-21T13:31:45.045-05:00mike ~ the distinction I was searching for, or to...mike ~ the distinction I was searching for, or to put into words, was the distinction between sensitiveness and sensitivity -not sensitive and sensitivity. :-) Not quite the same difference?Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-37214643239981029792015-07-21T13:17:22.640-05:002015-07-21T13:17:22.640-05:00mike ~ Maybe your last comment is for Twilight? ...mike ~ Maybe your last comment is for Twilight? But I agree: "Sensitivity is the quality or condition of being sensitive"LBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-53041935343116987602015-07-21T13:06:38.125-05:002015-07-21T13:06:38.125-05:00mike ~ I forgot to thank you for mentioning H.R. 1...mike ~ I forgot to thank you for mentioning H.R. 1599 the other day. When I checked my inbox, there were several email alerts. <br /><br />As usual, I phoned our representatives and encouraged a bunch of other folks to do the same. I'm doubtful but we'll see. When I mentioned the bill to a couple of local people with strong connections to GMO-free food (one a small organic café owner, the other the good friend of an organic restaurant owner), not surprisingly, neither had even heard of it, though both said they'd call and pass along the information. <br /><br />LBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-19944004560949003732015-07-21T12:56:47.710-05:002015-07-21T12:56:47.710-05:00I'm not sure the distinction you are making be...I'm not sure the distinction you are making between sensitive and sensitivity. Sensitivity is the quality or condition of being sensitive (dictionary.reference.com).<br /><br />This from Wiki:<br />"Recent research in developmental psychology provides further evidence that individuals differ in their sensitivity. According to the differential susceptibility hypothesis by Belsky (1997b; 1997a; 2005) individuals vary in the degree they are affected by experiences or qualities of the environment to which they are exposed. Some individuals are more susceptible (or sensitive) to such influences than others however, not only to negative but also to positive ones. For example, research by Pluess & Belsky has shown that children with difficult temperaments in infancy are more susceptible to the effects of parenting and child care quality in the first 5 years of life. Intriguingly, these children not only had more behavioral problems in response to low quality care, they also had the least problems of all children when having a history of high quality care. This suggests that children with difficult temperament are highly susceptible rather than difficult and therefore able to benefit significantly more from positive experiences compared to other less susceptible children. These discoveries have prompted Pluess & Belsky to use the term vantage sensitivity in their review of such results, highlighting the evolutionary advantages of the trait."<br /><br /><br />"The sensitivity or insensitivity of a human, often considered with regard to a particular kind of stimulus, is the strength of the feeling it results in, in comparison with the strength of the stimulus. The concept applies to physical as well as emotional feeling. Stimulus may consist of any or all types of stimuli, including political, nationalistic, religious, physical, mental, emotional, etc. In the political sense, perception of and reaction to stimuli is often inculcated by - and for the benefit of - power holders."<br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sensitivity_%28human%29mike (again)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-18762866971811167732015-07-21T12:38:56.921-05:002015-07-21T12:38:56.921-05:00With natal Neptune-Mercury-Jupiter (rulers of my a...With natal Neptune-Mercury-Jupiter (rulers of my angles) in Scorpio, square Moon in Aquarius, and both Pluto and Uranus in the 12th, I'm pretty sensitive and always have been. <br /><br />I think sensitivity means different things . . . a lot depends on how big and inclusive our circle is and what motivates us, also how mature we are. A person can be extremely sensitive and still lack empathy or a moral compass. <br /><br />Sometimes being sensitive just means we're easily offended, even kind of childish, frequently on the defensive or hypervigilant about getting our own needs met.<br /><br />Sensitivity can sometimes be an amazing gift *if* we use it to tune into and serve something greater than ourselves. It can take time. <br /><br />Or we can be sensitive in other ways. I have a friend with Moon in Pisces, Neptune in Scorpio, Mars in Cancer who is extremely sensitive to odors and chemicals of any kind. It's been hard on her, being the canary in the coal mine.LBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-21219605169805245272015-07-21T11:23:36.553-05:002015-07-21T11:23:36.553-05:00mike (again) ~ Good point!mike (again) ~ Good point!Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-42923145480306013912015-07-21T11:22:36.714-05:002015-07-21T11:22:36.714-05:00mike ~ Maybe your first paragraph highlights a di...mike ~ Maybe your first paragraph highlights a difference between sensitiveness and sensitivity. I can "feel" the difference, but find it hard to put into a decent set of words. :-)<br /><br />I'm not sure I agree, this time, on importance of siblings/environment etc, as ranked with the astrological. Also "emotions" and sensitiveness are not necessarily quite the same - though related, but yes, Moon position will factor in strongly. Saturn - don't know about that. I have both Moon and Saturn in Aries, but they don't entirely cancel out Cancer rising's sensitiveness, in both physical and mental ways. C.E.O. Carter didn't mention physical sensitiveness, such as sensitive skin, allergic reactions and suchlike.<br /><br />I agree about recurring themes, also that maturity can "iron out" a lot of early over-sensitive reactions in a person. Living and learning (sometimes). <br /><br />When I was looking for a quote for the sidebar I kept seeing one by Mike Tyson...LOL!<br /><i>My biggest weakness is my sensitivity. I am too sensitive a person.</i> He has Sun and Jupiter in Cancer. Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-42209166015388182632015-07-21T11:19:14.501-05:002015-07-21T11:19:14.501-05:00P.S. - I'd have to say that astrological trans...P.S. - I'd have to say that astrological transits seem to modify our sensitivities, too. The recent, but very long duration Uranus-Pluto square, with transits to Cancer and Libra making a T-Square or grand square, certainly influenced sensitivities or lack of around the globe.mike (again)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-58087235830183567692015-07-21T11:06:27.893-05:002015-07-21T11:06:27.893-05:00Anonymous ~ Hi! Fun ain't it? :-)Anonymous ~ Hi! Fun ain't it? :-)Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-59944359169567204082015-07-21T10:39:20.623-05:002015-07-21T10:39:20.623-05:00There are several interpretations of "sensiti...There are several interpretations of "sensitivity". Some individuals are thick-skinned and won't perceive, and others react to their own judgement(s) of self-worth and display that through the not-self of others. Mental-emotional disorders, which all of us demonstrate to some degree (yes, we are all crazy on this bus!) and are influenced by both natal chart and environment, allow for pick-and-choose reactions. I believe that some individuals are psychic and are finely tuned to the people-atmosphere around them. I've known friends and acquaintances that are overly emotional and cry at almost anything that "moves" them, yet several are very callous about spewing hurtful remarks at others...LOL. Some individuals, like Donald Trump are just plain creepy, insensitive, and out for themselves. Others like Bill Cosby are resentful liars causing tremendous harm for their own ego (and other) gratification. Quite a range of sensitive-insensitive boundaries to explore in life!<br /><br />I agree with your assessment that astrologically, it's difficult to pin-point a one-size-fits-all influence. I suspect that the environment plays a much greater role, with parental conditions at the top of the list, followed by siblings and general life influences. Astrologically, I'd peg Moon (emotions) and Saturn (the teacher) placements and aspects as the greater determinant of sensitivities.<br /><br />I've noticed that all individuals have repetitive themes in their life that are no doubt astrologically induced. These recurring patterns provide particular sensitivities to the individual. The fortunate person will re-work these patterns over time and experience, and adjust their mental-emotional self to better resolve the issues and become less sensitive to them.<br /><br />Natalie Cole, Nat King Cole's daughter, disappeared from sight for a decade, then made a comeback. It was rumored that she had fallen to disrepute. In an interview after her comeback, she said that she realized she had a choice to make: bitter or better and she chose better. Bitterness is guaranteed to harbor sensitivities.mikenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-83588810459657565282015-07-21T10:34:56.126-05:002015-07-21T10:34:56.126-05:00Cancer rising, Aquarius moon, Sag sun... Right the...Cancer rising, Aquarius moon, Sag sun... Right there with ya!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com