tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post135932851080554173..comments2024-03-17T03:42:21.277-05:00Comments on LEARNING CURVE ON THE ECLIPTIC: "'Cause you've got personality...." Twilighthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-14620486614816036282014-11-22T00:09:21.476-06:002014-11-22T00:09:21.476-06:00Anonymous ~ Thank you for those observations - ve...Anonymous ~ Thank you for those observations - very interesting. This is obviously a complex subject, with different levels of involvement, and possibly is understood in different ways by different individuals from different cultures too. Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-23505121841694667362014-11-21T19:58:45.676-06:002014-11-21T19:58:45.676-06:00Words often fail when dealing with issues of psych...Words often fail when dealing with issues of psychology and enlightenment (not that I claim enlightenment). <br /><br />Spirituality which goes somewhat beyond psychology can leave you with a deep sense of continuity. It's not that there isn't suffering, there is. It's that this too shall pass, and that all of us are, in some sense, more than our bodies. <br /><br />As for caring, you care less, but there is also far less resistance to action, so you can still act if you choose to.<br /><br />I certainly can't speak for the fully self-aware, the fully self-enlightened (as best I can tell there are levels of spiritual realization. You can have real achievements and still be far short of Buddha, say.)<br /><br />But I can say that a number of people I know who are somewhat enlightened, do still involve themselves in the world's affairs in a beneficial way.<br /><br />To be sure, however, enlightenment can lead to retreat, to lack of involvement in the world. It can also lead to very antisocial behaviour, as it strips away conditioning and gives you freedom.<br /><br />This is why the Hindus emphasize love (read Biography of Yogi), and Buddhists emphasize compassion.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-19567837697925715042014-11-17T07:10:58.531-06:002014-11-17T07:10:58.531-06:00yes Robert Camp of course:)
though I do have a fe...<br /> yes Robert Camp of course:)<br /> though I do have a few Robert Hand books also..<br /><br /> yes Mike I bought a used book in 1988 and tried to learn on my own and off and on since I've dabbled with it.<br /><br /> aww so many stories to tell..<br /> Your Chardin quote is REAL.Sonny Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06926830309207639536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-51035271809163898852014-11-16T23:52:57.518-06:002014-11-16T23:52:57.518-06:00mike (again) ~ They did a very quick sprint to the...mike (again) ~ They did a very quick sprint to the finish line didn't they!?<br />Nicely finalised with no loose ends dangling. I wish Miss Audrey had returned for a final bow - I've missed her in the 2nd season.<br /><br />Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-26446067223630176912014-11-16T20:20:55.980-06:002014-11-16T20:20:55.980-06:00Twilight, the conclusion to "The Paradise&quo...Twilight, the conclusion to "The Paradise" was excellent, I thought...wrapped-up nicely. I would have preferred to have seen Weston struck by lightening at the end, but fitting that he and Katherine reconciled. I actually felt sympathy for Katherine the past several episodes...LOL.mike (again)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-41359904734698537942014-11-16T18:37:59.413-06:002014-11-16T18:37:59.413-06:00Sonny, I've only delved into the very surface ...Sonny, I've only delved into the very surface of numerology, so not any help here. I remember that you previously made comments regarding the numerology of various topics in Twilight's posts, so you must have some proficiency already.mike (again)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-57785211133454073832014-11-16T13:31:33.024-06:002014-11-16T13:31:33.024-06:00Sonny - Robert Camp though, not Robert Hand (thoug...Sonny - Robert Camp though, not Robert Hand (though Robert Hand IS a superb astrologer!)<br /><br />Oh good! I'm glad you're familiar with Camp's books. I'm King of Clubs would ya believe? "Master of Knowledge?"...Mr Camp - you jest!!! Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-66918277452284275572014-11-16T13:22:28.151-06:002014-11-16T13:22:28.151-06:00oh yes Annie I have both the Robert Hand books. I...<br /> oh yes Annie I have both the Robert Hand books. I'll go back and take a look at those.<br /> I am the 7 of hearts- The Peace Maker:) thanks for reminding me..Sonny Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06926830309207639536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-91142407104450284032014-11-16T12:25:43.368-06:002014-11-16T12:25:43.368-06:00Sonny ~ Hi, and good wishes to you too!
Can'...Sonny ~ Hi, and good wishes to you too!<br /><br />Can't help on numerology - sorry. Maybe someone else will have a website or book suggestion.<br /><br />I've long been interested in a system using playing cards updated for the 20th century by Robert Camp (Google him) which blends an ancient system of astrology and numerology - I think. I have found his book "Love Cards" to be exceptionally good and eerily accurate.Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-51605568262692972602014-11-16T08:46:13.328-06:002014-11-16T08:46:13.328-06:00Hi and Happy Sunday to Ya'll
I hope your hea...<br /><br /> Hi and Happy Sunday to Ya'll<br /><br /> I hope your health is continuing to improve Annie.<br /> <br /> Its really cold now because the temps are only going to 50 during the day and that means the house does'nt warm up and it gets cooler quicker when the sun goes down.. I had to turn the heat on last night. I know other states are even colder so I'm not complaining.<br /> I know I can ask Google but I thought I'd ask ya'll too..<br /> Do any of you have a numerology site that you feel is most accurate? I find that subject interesting and would like to gain more knowledge about it. Too me its also a science and would seem to work well along with astrology.. <br /> Have a great day.Sonny Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06926830309207639536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-12294065252459579782014-11-15T23:51:45.661-06:002014-11-15T23:51:45.661-06:00LB ~ I guess success goes to their heads in time, ...LB ~ I guess success goes to their heads in time, no matter how sincere they might have been at the outset. Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-38143515812572107702014-11-15T23:48:27.840-06:002014-11-15T23:48:27.840-06:00Sonny ~ Annie, Ann... or Twilight is fine, Sonny -...Sonny ~ Annie, Ann... or Twilight is fine, Sonny - thank you! :-)<br /><br />I feel much the same as you do - and that song, "The Dance" has always been my favourite of Garth Brooks' many brilliant compositions...along with "If Tomorrow Never Comes". <br /><br />Tom Selleck was another of my faves, especially in his role as Magnum P.I. - until I discovered he's a Republican - dang! What a big disappointment that was. Not sure about Garth Brooks - he could be Republican too, coming as he does from Oklahoma. Sigh. But his songs are still great. <br />Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-66935963167388434952014-11-15T18:33:10.501-06:002014-11-15T18:33:10.501-06:00Twilight ~ I understand and share your feelings ab...Twilight ~ I understand and share your feelings about those who fail to walk the talk, whether they make money or not.<br /><br />It's also why, after learning more about Thich Nhat Hanh's efforts during the Vietnam War, his words as a spiritual teacher and peace activist carried greater weight with me - though I admit to feeling disappointed at some of the directions he's gone in in recent years. <br /><br />Imperfect as he may be, thankfully the essential message of his original teachings remains uncorrupted and worthwhile for many of us.LBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-35490550562670433902014-11-15T16:01:32.993-06:002014-11-15T16:01:32.993-06:00oh yea and Tom Selleck too:)oh yea and Tom Selleck too:)Sonny Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06926830309207639536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-36725540594311463672014-11-15T15:55:57.335-06:002014-11-15T15:55:57.335-06:00I have no dislike of meditation and I have sincere...<br /> I have no dislike of meditation and I have sincerely tried it- alone and with a teacher who I know was truly trying to help me help myself by quieting the almost constant chatter in my head.<br /><br /> alas, I was'nt able to achieve Nirvana, by a long shot lol. Its just not how I'm wired, though I am happy for all who wish to and do achieve it..<br /><br /> I read your post Annie:: ps I use your name versus Twilight because its comforting to me.. not sure I was clear with that, so I hope you know what I meant. <br /> <br /> I also read Mike's and LB's comment and understood what they both said.<br /> I was born Motivated- so motivational speakers on any level dont really mean much too me nor do I understand what people get from them. In the end you must motivate yourself on all levels. <br /> I care and I dont want to stop caring or even care a little or a lot less.<br /> Caring often brings great joy and even when it brings some pain, that pain is a great motivator for change and growth and learning.. so I guess what I am trying to convey with all these words is...<br /> I could have missed the pain/caring but I'd have had to miss the Dance..<br /> ps- Annie, you and Garth are my favorite Aquarius folks..<br /> Sonny Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06926830309207639536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-91551499075958471102014-11-15T14:32:07.987-06:002014-11-15T14:32:07.987-06:00LB ~ What ever floats your boat, LB. We each have...LB ~ What ever floats your boat, LB. We each have to find our own course through the ocean of life. what suits one personality type will not necessarily suit everyone.<br />I think I've floated my row-boat reasonably well without benefit of meditating, thus far. I'm unlikely to change course now. <br /><br />I can't watch Oprah doing her thing - sorry. It's not nice of me, I know this, but I simply cannot stand to watch her pontifications - or those of the many "spiritual" leaders who make piles of $$$$$$ from their books and lecture tours.<br /><br />I'm in that sort of mood today. :-/Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-47393192086603048252014-11-15T14:15:12.479-06:002014-11-15T14:15:12.479-06:00Twilight ~ I think if we want to tune-out (and not...Twilight ~ I think if we want to tune-out (and not care), meditation won't make much of a difference either way.<br /><br />Here's a youtube link documenting the process of teaching meditation to prisoners, as well as an interview with Thich Nhat Hanh, the Buddhist Monk, peace activist and spiritual teacher who encourages mindfulness and non-violent action as a means to achieve social justice. He influenced Martin Luther King to speak out publicly against the Vietnam War: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PCXeHNL3s8<br /><br />His books are some of my favorites.:) I also believe meditation has many spiritual and practical benefits.LBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-20749136991896386622014-11-15T11:30:05.285-06:002014-11-15T11:30:05.285-06:00mike (again) ~ Yikes! that'd put me off medit...mike (again) ~ Yikes! that'd put me off meditating for life. Oprah?!<br /><br />I read a critical piece on Oprah the other day which "enlightened" me somewhat in her direction. I have, by the way, never watched a single show of hers and shy away from reading anything she has written.<br />she may be a fellow Aquarius Sun type but she give me the creeps.<br /><br />http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/jaime-oneill/59532/oprah-income-disparity-and-the-math-of-obscene-wealthTwilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-47884264512350961212014-11-15T11:23:26.125-06:002014-11-15T11:23:26.125-06:00mike ~ Quelle surprise! We actually agree on some...mike ~ Quelle surprise! We actually agree on something! ;-)<br /><br />Yes, Ian Welsh has written some very good political pieces. He's different from many who have written in similar vein on more "spiritual" or New Agey stuff. He does care. For me, this makes his essays on meditation and suchlike even harder to understand.<br /><br />When people start talking or writing about "enlightenment"....it always brings to mind the spirit of that old quote: <i>The louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons.</i><br /><br />Dearie me, I must be feeling extra cynical today. ;-/<br /><br />Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-8780195007638899982014-11-15T11:20:47.978-06:002014-11-15T11:20:47.978-06:00P.S. - It isn't for me to say who is or isn...P.S. - It isn't for me to say who is or isn't reaping spiritual benefit from meditation, but there are any number of business elite and Hollywood celebrities that meditate...many make no spiritual inference, but claim it provides better decision making and clarity.<br /><br />http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/05/business-meditation-executives-meditate_n_3528731.htmlmike (again)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16659850.post-11749437999256367342014-11-15T10:08:06.948-06:002014-11-15T10:08:06.948-06:00There are many forms of "I don't care&quo...There are many forms of "I don't care" and most of the non-enlightened, non-spiritual of planet Earth have performed a selfish version of "I don't care" to manifest chaos and destruction upon us. An interesting feature of the spiritually enlightened is their requirement or dependence upon the non for sustenance in the form of tithing or donations...such as the beggar Buddhists of Thailand, who wander the streets anticipating food-monetary donations, to which they endow a special blessing upon the giver. A quick search of Ian Welsh does provide that he cares enough to support himself writing about politics and lifestyles...maybe that keeps him grounded.<br /><br />The astrological version of enlightenment is learning to benefit from the positive selection and flow of energy, even if it's the most difficult of aspects. If one has been born and has a natal chart, one will react to influences derived from those initial energies. It is impossible to negate material influences regardless of enlightenment levels...natural disasters abound, human-induced disasters abound, and personal disasters abound, regardless of spiritual attainment.<br /><br />I do understand Ian Welsh's logic, but from an astrological view, it could be defined as too much Neptune...LOL. There are a number of pundits that have written similar thoughts using different methodologies and have labelled the process by another name. Norman Vincent Peale comes to mind, with his book, "The Power of Positive Thinking" (1952)..."change your thoughts and change your world". There are countless new-age writers and bloggers that espouse some technique to avoid the pain of life.<br /><br />The science of meditation can't be ignored, as it's been demonstrated to be of benefit. But, the same can be said of eating a well-balanced diet, sleeping a full eight hours, being physically attractive, obtaining a good education, having a mid to upper strata of socioeconomic standing, regular medical check-ups, etc.<br /><br />“We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are spiritual beings having a human experience.” Teilhard de Chardin mikenoreply@blogger.com